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Sarah Constantin's avatar

I don't think the problem with any of the failed approaches you mentioned was the nature of the approach.

And I don't think your current proposed alternative is any likelier to succeed.

I think you're missing some intuitions about momentum and marketing. ANY approach, to solving ANY problem, will only get "off the ground" in a real way if resources are devoted to hammering home the message, repeating it, simplifying it, promoting it, over and over and over and over and over again, from multiple voices, gradually climbing the prestige ladder. That is what it takes to make something "a thing".

Then, when you have a Thing, it is time to evaluate whether the approach is fundamentally or structurally flawed, whether it is incentive-compatible, etc etc. And flawed Things tend to fail.

But almost none of your ideas are even Things. The only one that has gained momentum is prediction markets, and that took *decades* and the rise of a true prediction-market "community" and sustained funding and multiple companies and so on. And, as you often point out, the implementation of these successful prediction markets is often flawed and doesn't follow the details you've written up earlier. THAT IS HOW IT GOES. it takes 30 years for a two-word phrase to gradually become "mainstream" enough that people in a medium-sized subculture will have heard of it.

"Science reform" is a Thing today, just not a successful thing.

Specific science-reform policies mostly aren't big enough to be Things.

Now, you don't just want an idea to be "a Thing", you want it to be strong enough to *actually win*. That is extremely ambitious. I would like to believe that this is possible but to be honest I have little faith that humans can actually set out to do something on the scale of "make academia accountable" and have the overall arc play out in a way similar to what they intend. But you are unusually good at gaming out the incentive-compatibility of ideas. Perhaps, if any of them became Things, they would then succeed. But they're *not.*

I don't feel, reading this, that there's enough "oomf" in historical ranking that it would connect to forward-looking reforms. This is policy; you are trying to get people on board with changing their behavior; it's not clear to me how developing any new information source would do so, if you don't think information moves people in general...

It's too abstract. You're not *pitching* me. You're not reassuring me that it would totally work, that People Are Making It Happen, that all the what-if uncertainties that come to mind can be dispelled and we are marching along the royal road to Totally Winning Forever. You are not doing *even enough of this to convince me to spend a tiny amount of my own cash on the idea*, let alone connecting with anybody more mainstream.

Now ^ is a confident and un-caveated version of my intuition; it could be that you regularly move in circles where the emotional gap doesn't matter.

But if you suspect I'm right I think you really need to talk to some kind of coach on marketing and really *learn* how to do emotional appeal.

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Jared Gordon's avatar

It's not a solution in all areas, but for experimental academic research it seems like improving replication norms would help a lot. And that's something that's already the norm in most physical sciences, to at least some degree.

One way to strongly enforce replication is to require any new finding to also have a replication study performed independently before it was published, with the replication study published at the same time. However, this could significantly slow down research in some areas, and I'm not sure that's a trade off we should make.

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