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Iz's avatar

Beautifully put. I feel similarly about our culture although I don’t remember ever really particularly trusting our culture. For as long as I remember I’ve had this vague sense that things weren’t as they should be. As I’ve gotten older I’ve learned to put my finger on more and more of the issues thanks in no small part to writers such as yourself.

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You refer to biological adaption as the available objective criterion by which we can rate cultures. I want to ask what you mean by that. If a criterion's being "objective" has to do with how reliably different people will agree on who's doing well and who's doing poorly by the criterion, then there are lots of objective criteria, but we mostly don't care about them. E.g., it's an objective matter how tall buildings are. You could judge cultures by how tall their tallest buildings are, or how tall their buildings are on average. So I assume by "objective" you don't just mean easy to judge, but something else. But then I wonder in what sense biological adaptation could be an objective criterion for judging cultures.

Stick with the individual case, rather than the social one. Imagine someone who has no desire to have children, and who doesn't help his biological relatives reproduce. You could tell this guy: "your life is going poorly by the one available objective criterion for a life well-lived: inclusive fitness!" It's hard for me to see why he should be moved--if he doesn't care about getting copies of his genes into the next generation, realizing that his lifestyle isn't well-calibrated to do that seems like it needn't bother him at all. Richard Dawkins made this point nicely way back in "The Selfish Gene."

I don't see how things are all that different when we scale up from the individual to the social/cultural level. If our culture doesn't value biological adaptiveness, then someone whose most basic values come from our culture may be unmoved upon learning that our culture is not fit, in cultural-evolutionary terms. It might matter derivatively--if you like your culture's values, then learning that it's not fit from an evolutionary perspective is reason to think it won't stick around, so people won't be around to promote those values in the future. So you might think that everybody has reason to want their culture to be fit, whatever *other* values they have. Is that the idea?

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