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Jack's avatar
Sep 1Edited

Very interesting ideas here. Kipping's hypothesis of "a crazy small chance that intelligence like ours gives rise to a distantly-visible civilization" doesn't necessarily imply a great filter in our future. It could be that most intelligent life wants to advance in a direction that isn't distantly visible. For example, maybe such aliens choose to remain clustered for reasons of efficiency (our own trend toward urbanization points to this, and lightspeed comms delays between stars would motivate it further).

My own bet however is that for every intelligent species the ultimate scarce resource is thermodynamic free energy - not matter or physical space. The neighborhood of a supermassive black hole is the obvious place to migrate to in this case, with more free energy than all the galaxy's stars combined. Perhaps such a migration is the final hard step, which would be not be especially visible to others.

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Magnus Vinding's avatar

Interestingly, it seems that there is a simple change that would make your view consistent with Kipping's view of extremely low grabby probability: Your current best explanation for UFOs-as-aliens involves them being quiet and extremely capable of coordinating so as to ensure they're quiet over large distances. It also involves them being our panspermia siblings. The simple change that would make your view consistent with Kipping's would be to relax the "nearby aliens must be our panspermia siblings" assumption. If the type of aliens invoked in your UFOs-as-aliens story did not limit their colonization-preventing activities to their own galaxy, and if they were an outlier in earliness, they could impose a filter of extremely low grabby probability (perhaps a flat 0) on a huge volume.

This is something I admit I don't understand about your apparent view: why does the 'nearby aliens as quiet panspermia siblings' hypotheses deserve some non-trivial probability and consideration while the 'nearby aliens as quiet travelers with distant origins' hypothesis seemingly deserves no such consideration (at least not enough to be worth writing about it, or even mentioning it, as a possibility)? If the former is granted as a non-crazy possibility, why isn't the latter?

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