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Quote: “World War II was the most culturally influential event of the twentieth century. Yet the rise of Hitler to run Germany and Germany losing the war were pretty random events. So the big cultural changes caused by that war are also pretty random changes”

…could not agree more. We still live in the shadow of WW2.

And that shadow has become more visible over the decades, instead of gradually fading away.

One reason for the shadow of WW2 remaining more important than anything else in the present cultural environment is that all our global institutions stem from WW2. The United Nations and its many affiliate organizations. The World Bank and the regional development banks. The IMF. The WTO. The European Union. This institutional legacy continues to shape our world.

Another reason is the gestalt-like quality of the core narrative of WW2. The narrative resembles the script of 90 percent of all Hollywood movies: 1) Bad guy meets good guy. 2) Bad guy almost defeats good guy. 3) Good guy defeats bad guy.

One does not have to be a Jungian to see the tremendous force of this narrative on the collective imagination. WW2 has entered the collective mythos in a way more powerful than any other past or present war, including the end of the Cold War. The archetypical narrative means that its cultural reverberations may last for centuries, perhaps even for a thousand years. If so, any idea that can be remotely associated with the Third Reich will not only remain tainted for a long time – the taint will become stronger across time.

For example, some countries maintained quasi-forced sterilization of people with some types of disabilities even as late as the 1960s before the shadow caught up with them. Such policies are totally beyond the pale now. The same is increasingly the case world wide with discrimination of gays, or of people with skin colors different from North Europeans, or gender discrimination. “Woke” ideology is yet another manifestation. Illustrating the ramping-up, rather than the fading away, of this long cultural shadow. It is a development I am happy with, child of the postwar culture as I am, but there is no denying the randomness that has produced this poswar culture.

All of this illustrates the importance of randomness when observing large-scale, longue durée cultural change. It is fascinating. It is also humbling for those who would attempt to predict where humanity is heading.

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Stephen Lindsay's avatar

I commented something like this before but without response. Evolution is a statistical process that occurs in large populations. We see adaptation arise in a way analogous to how the laws of thermodynamics arise from statistical mechanics. When it comes to cultural evolution the population size is much smaller and the selection pressure diminishes as culture becomes more advanced. Cultural evolution may make sense for the Neolithic period when presumably there are a large number of small groups trying to survive. Maybe cultural evolution could be said to have produced well adapted cultures that thrived and became large civilizations. But in the civilizational period when the world is dominated by maybe 10 or 20 or fewer very influential cultures, I don’t see how any subsequent developments can be explained by any statistical or selection mechanisms. The laws of thermodynamics break down when you only have 20 molecules (or even a few thousand). Selection pressure is also diminished because a civilization making maladaptive changes is much less at risk of dying than is a small band of Neolithic proto-farmers or an individual with a mutated genome.

Instead, I think the best option is to drop the “adaptive” or evolutionary language for civilizational development and simply define the qualities that we think make a civilization stronger or better and proceed on a historical evaluation of civilizations based on this selected criteria. The criteria can be reasonably (but not perfectly) objective. Yes, that sounds more like value judgements and less like science, but it is more honest and humble about the limitations of science, and amounts to the same thing.

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