I've spent 3 decades in SiliValley (Stanford in mid-to-late '90s, then working here since Y2K)
Maybe I'm not understanding the scope of "youth movements", but here, there's absolutely an ethos, initially amped by young Yahooligans, crystallized into a rational theory of growth by Google's founders in the early noughties, and then fully weaponized by Facebook's "move fast & break things" attitude.
Living in this bubble makes me believe that "Startup Culture" is a big deal in current US society
This culture traces to the outlook of young founders, whose hubristic ambition was to refactor society toward entrepreneurship.
DOGE tried to bring this mind-set to DC, with negligible results, but it still signifies the intent to graft Bay Arean thinking into government.
Is capitalism, fomented by VC, sufficiently powerful to:
a) count as a movement emerging from startups, and
the brown shirts were largely war veterans, in their 30s by the time it was big. Also they were seen by the other nazis as a gay men's sex club, because Roem was deep in that culture. so, not very typical.
There were tons of young people - not veterans - in brown shirts. Particularly, university students and more grown up "Gymnasiasten". The latter would be equivalent in age to high school leavers and junior college in the USA today.
Yes, sure, Roehm was gay. But most brown shirts were normal heteros.
by 1933 there were probably more brownshirts than openly gay men in Germany. What I said was that "the other Nazis" saw them as a gay men's club. What I meant was that other top Nazis said and wrote that the officer corps was gay, and in a vulgar and promiscuous way; and used that to agitate for and help justify their destruction.
It's true that Rohm's inner circle of SA officers was gay, and had their meetings in a gay bar, and had a hypermasculine attitude, like the Leathermen motorcycle clubs in the US.
I was confused when writing "the brown shirts were largely war veterans, in their 30s by the time it was big", when what I should have said that the brown shirts began with war veterans, and I think that remained so thru the 1920s. They were probably more of a youth movement by 1933. Gemini backs me up on this, saying, "The true shift toward a youth movement occurred around 1929–1930 as a direct result of the Great Depression. This period saw the SA’s membership explode, but the profile of the "average" Brownshirt changed." But they were a veteran's movement for most of their history, which I think disqualifies them from being a typical youth movement.
That's exactly what the young wokesters have been doing in many companies. See Google, Meta etc. Lots of big newspapers - eg NYT - have also been like that, say since 2014. Also, see all these pro-Hamas demonstrations on the university campuses since Oct 7, 2023. Of course, definitions of "greed and corruption" are in the eye of the beholder.
I've spent 3 decades in SiliValley (Stanford in mid-to-late '90s, then working here since Y2K)
Maybe I'm not understanding the scope of "youth movements", but here, there's absolutely an ethos, initially amped by young Yahooligans, crystallized into a rational theory of growth by Google's founders in the early noughties, and then fully weaponized by Facebook's "move fast & break things" attitude.
Living in this bubble makes me believe that "Startup Culture" is a big deal in current US society
This culture traces to the outlook of young founders, whose hubristic ambition was to refactor society toward entrepreneurship.
DOGE tried to bring this mind-set to DC, with negligible results, but it still signifies the intent to graft Bay Arean thinking into government.
Is capitalism, fomented by VC, sufficiently powerful to:
a) count as a movement emerging from startups, and
b) significantly change the dominant culture?
> And one thing I’ve noticed is that macro culture change less often involves youth movements.
Don't you mean the opposite? Macro culture MORE often involves youth movements than firm culture?
yes; fixed.
I don't think I know what u mean by macro culture.
By "youth movements" you mean like the Mao's Red Brigade or Hitler's Brown Shirts?
Those are youth movements, though not typical ones.
I would disagree. Brown Shirts were an archetypical youth movement.
the brown shirts were largely war veterans, in their 30s by the time it was big. Also they were seen by the other nazis as a gay men's sex club, because Roem was deep in that culture. so, not very typical.
There were tons of young people - not veterans - in brown shirts. Particularly, university students and more grown up "Gymnasiasten". The latter would be equivalent in age to high school leavers and junior college in the USA today.
Yes, sure, Roehm was gay. But most brown shirts were normal heteros.
by 1933 there were probably more brownshirts than openly gay men in Germany. What I said was that "the other Nazis" saw them as a gay men's club. What I meant was that other top Nazis said and wrote that the officer corps was gay, and in a vulgar and promiscuous way; and used that to agitate for and help justify their destruction.
It's true that Rohm's inner circle of SA officers was gay, and had their meetings in a gay bar, and had a hypermasculine attitude, like the Leathermen motorcycle clubs in the US.
I was confused when writing "the brown shirts were largely war veterans, in their 30s by the time it was big", when what I should have said that the brown shirts began with war veterans, and I think that remained so thru the 1920s. They were probably more of a youth movement by 1933. Gemini backs me up on this, saying, "The true shift toward a youth movement occurred around 1929–1930 as a direct result of the Great Depression. This period saw the SA’s membership explode, but the profile of the "average" Brownshirt changed." But they were a veteran's movement for most of their history, which I think disqualifies them from being a typical youth movement.
How about youth movements hate Corporate greed and corruption
And why not push from within a firm to cut its greed and corruption?
That's exactly what the young wokesters have been doing in many companies. See Google, Meta etc. Lots of big newspapers - eg NYT - have also been like that, say since 2014. Also, see all these pro-Hamas demonstrations on the university campuses since Oct 7, 2023. Of course, definitions of "greed and corruption" are in the eye of the beholder.