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Peter Gerdes's avatar

A few issues with your argument.

1) Isn't it likely the causation mostly goes the other way. That liberal and free societies result in more innovation?

Maybe greater absolute wealth can be shown to make countries freer and more liberal but i don't see much evidence for a causal arrow from innovation to increased freedom/liberalness.

2) Even if 1 is false your evidence doesn't distinguish between the claims that the overall level of innovation predicts the degree of freedom/liberalness and the claim that the innovation per person does.

Actually, it's worse than this because if you want to make the claim about spatial correlation there are plenty of small and very liberal countries like Iceland or other Nordic countries that in absolute terms were far less innovative than giant but very illiberal countries like China or the USSR. If anything the evidence points to per person innovation.

Yet it's not at all clear smaller populations reduce per person innovation.

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Berder's avatar

Well, I think you're generally right about this.

Although, I'm skeptical that "innovation of the sort that makes nation-states worried about falling behind other nation-states" is actually slowing currently. The Big One right now is AI. The world is getting separated into the AI Haves and Have-Nots. It's easy to imagine how even fairly dumb AI could completely revolutionize the entire economy by replacing all sorts of menial jobs. The AI that we've got is increasingly not dumb, and is thus reaching towards office jobs as well.

Also the fears of population decline are overblown. There is currently a strong selection pressure for people with heritable genes that cause them to have a lot of kids despite living in a high-education high-tech society. People with genes like that do exist and their descendants will be numerous. We're talking hundreds of years in the future, anyway, by which point our society will be practically unrecognizable due to robots doing everything, so such predictions are pointless.

The more pressing demographic problem is that as AI keeps doing more and more human jobs better and cheaper than the humans, we are going to have to figure out what to do with all the humans who cannot get a job because they cannot compete with the AI. This could become a majority of the population. UBI? Mass starvation and riots? Legal restrictions on what jobs robots can do? Subsidies for human workers?

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