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David Roberts's avatar

Enjoyed this way of looking at these terms. But where do you fit kindness and morality into the equation?

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Juraj's avatar

"Power is...influence"? So status is not power? If "Prestige is a reputation for making product" and "Status is a reputation for admirability." Why are beautiful people or poets usually high in prestige status? Why can charismatic strangers in plain clothes immediately be high status when they enter a room, even without any reputation or status markers? Isn't a "big-shot" high in prestige status?

I have difficulty following implications of your terminology. The discussion about status is muddled by the lack of clear terms. My attempt to clear things a bit up: I define status as the potential to influence the behavior of other people.

Status can be obtained in two basic ways. Dominance – by subduing others – using force or the threat of force. The behavior is influenced by the threat of causing harm (costs). It is based on the submission of the other party in the hope of avoiding further harm from conflict (costs).

Prestige status is based on a person’s competence, ingenuity, and superior characteristics: such as size (height and muscularity), beauty, skills, knowledge, bravery, social and networking skills, verbal ability, entertaining ability, entrepreneurship, leadership. The behavior of others is altered by awe, admiration, and expectation of benefits to be gained by deferring. These can take many forms such as access to mates, goods, services, knowledge & information coordination, leadership, and gaining status through association. The resulting cooperation from prestige is based on voluntarily conferred deference.

Dominance status is “push”, prestige status is “pull”. Dominance creates subordinates, prestige creates followers. Dominant individuals are avoided by subordinates. Prestigious individuals are sought out by their followers, who want to be near them and pay the high-status individual with attention and other services and goods.

The same feature can play a role in different status strategies. In today’s modern societies, the hypertrophied human muscles built in gyms are mostly not meant for dyadic physical confrontation, but for show. They are now a signal of prestige rather than dominance.

Although using distinct psychological structures, different behavioral patterns, and ethological displays prestige has the same origin as dominance – striving to influence the behavior of others. When thinking about prestige and dominance status in terms of potential gains (prestige) and the threat of incurring costs (dominance), one must keep in mind that the price of a particular behavior (cost) is defined by the foregone profit of the second-best alternative not chosen (opportunity cost). Thus, prestige and dominance are just names for strategies in the same status economy, and one cannot clearly separate them. For example, a prestigious individual’s refusal to accept deference from and associate with a follower imposes costs on the follower, so it is strictly a dominance status move. Or the prestigious individual sometimes becomes a protector of lower status followers from other dominant individuals, so the use of prestige status in this case is a dominance tactic. Prestige and dominance are two different strategies with the same goal – to maximize status (influence).

https://www.jurajkarpis.com/moneyisstatusmemory/

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