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Steve Sailer's avatar

Can you have the LLM's rank order their lists and then you give us example from both ends of the lists?

Robin Hanson's avatar

I linked to the LLM convos, so you can continue them as you like.

Ben Hoffman's avatar

This has to be wrong; Pierre Bezukhov's arc in War and Peace is a very clear counterexample, and War and Peace is often cited as an exemplary or central case of novel. My instance of Claude Opus writes:

>Pierre Bezukhov's arc involves substantial stance changes driven by several of the "rare" causes Hanson lists—particularly gaining new associates and copying them (f): first the Freemasons (especially Bazdeev), then Platon Karataev during captivity, then his post-war political circle that points toward Decembrist-adjacent views. The Karataev transformation also has elements of "it just felt right" (g), though that's intertwined with the (f) mechanism. His post-war radicalization combines (a) seeing the events of 1812 with (f) new associates.

This is just the example that immediately came to mind before even looking at your list; I would bet at even odds I can name ten comparably clear counterexamples without much trouble.

Ben Hoffman's avatar

Dorothea Brooke in Middlemarch also changes her political alignment due to some of your rare causes. My Claude Opus writes:

Dorothea's arc involves stance changes on political reform—she starts with vague philanthropic enthusiasm, marries Casaubon partly hoping to contribute to some grand intellectual/moral project, and ends up with Will Ladislaw who is actively involved in Reform politics (he becomes a Reform MP).

But the mechanisms are mixed:

(f) Gaining new associates: Will Ladislaw is clearly a new associate whose views she comes to share, and her exposure to his political circle matters.

(a) Seeing events: Her disillusionment with Casaubon comes from observing his actual work and character—that's reality-testing.

(g) It just felt right: There's something ineffable about her attraction to Will and what he represents versus the desiccated scholasticism of Casaubon.

Phil Getts's avatar

I'd love to see the whole list of novels and characters.

I'm curious how many instances, if any, they would detect of people turning /against/ a social movement, and especially a youth movement. There are famous biographies about that, but famous novels? Perhaps Heart of Darkness, which is semi-autobiographical. It was turning against colonialism when it was popular.

Robin Hanson's avatar

I linked to the whole list.

Michael Vassar's avatar

Is easy to see counterexamples off the top of my head. Huck Finn, for instance, changes his stance on slavery/goodness to resolve inconsistency in his prior norms and actions.

And Boromir saw opportunity to gain power status or attention.

Those two examples come to mind before any examples of political opinions changed by facts.

Raskolnikov’s change just feels right.

I’m still not immediately seeing a fist example of a fact driven shift.

Robin Hanson's avatar

If I could get you to code all 240 novels, I'd compare that as a dataset.

Phil Getts's avatar

what do you mean by "code"?

You could post a Google survey asking your readers to make the same judgements on those novels which they read. (Do ask people who only saw the movie not to answer.)

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Phil Getts's avatar

The Gospels contain a large number of fact-driven shifts to follow Jesus, where the facts are things like "was healed by Jesus". Good luck to your LLMs on what percentage political his movement was.

Gulliver doesn't join a movement, but is converted to the POV of the Houhynyms (sp?) by seeing how nice their society is.

The Watchmen are persuaded to cooperate with the "villain" at the end of /Watchmen/ by facts. But it is not a happy ending, it's a tragedy.

The recent Young Adult fantasy series /Keeper of the Lost Cities/ has a protagonist who is abducted into a utopia, and gradual revelations of clues and facts turn her against it a few books into the series, then back into alliance with it as several different movements and races in a conflict, each react and adapt to events and disclosures of fact.

Does "fact-driven" include people converted by losing their belief in facts? eg, 1984.