After the shocking massacre in Connecticut it looks like gun control is going to draw a lot of attention from Obama and Congress this year. This got me thinking about how important gun control might be as a political cause. The potential good achieved by focussing on this policy is in large part determined by the damage done by guns in the first place. In that light, does it deserve it?
Point is murder has a special harm that other kinds of death don't. It might be worth it to spend X dollars to stop Z lost life years from murder but not from cancer.
I’m concerned about an incidental (and likely unwanted) possession of firearms and ammunition---it’s an issue I haven’t seen discussed anywhere: An Undiscussed Gun Issue: Disposing of Guns from an Estate (http://carolyncholland.word...
"We are prisoners of the theistic belief in hell as just punishment, andwe resent that people should be allowed to avoid their justcomeuppances in life by resort to the expedient of suicide."
Well, a lot, actually. Let's start with Stephen Badylak's regenerative medicine... More would be available without the tyrants at the FDA and DEA who claim first ownership of our bodies...
[If the guns are rendered illegal to own, some of these known owners will surrender their firearms.]Like 1928 Germany's Jews did, and Stalin's democided Ukrainians did, and Mao's...I'll stop listing them, and just list the end number. It's a nice large number that's easy for irrational people to ignore (with glazed eyes): 170,000,000+. That's how many innocent people were murdered by becoming demonstrably inferior in power to the stormtroopers of their government.
We had a DEA, ATF, and IRS before 2001. Now we have a DHS. WTF???!!!! Department of Homeland Security? What's next? Sturm-abteilung? Volks-Guard? They pop up like mushrooms after a rain.
Well, that and the fact that "gun control now" tends to produce democide. Democide is worse than even the rape and murder in our "Land of the Free" cities of disarmed tax-serfs. Chicago, LA, NYC, and other places where rape and murder victims aren't allowed adequate tools of defense lead the nation in gun violence. Wait ...I thought prohibition worked. I also thought everyone knew what "the law of unintended consequences" meant.
[Finally, gun control like Obamacare may change American society into something more modern, something more competitive with other developed countries.]But because anyone who knows anything about history, economics, philosophy and logic knows better, we're not going to try it. You see, every democidal regime has first banned guns for non-incumbent power. The result is mass murder on a scale you can't even wrap your tiny mind around. So yeah, ...not gonna happen.
[The primary disutility from tolerating murder is not life-years lost, but the broad erosive effects on the general level of trust in society.]Tolerating murder sucks. ...Yeah, like in that video, "The Cannibal Warlords of Liberia." Man, this conversation is getting far afield of common sense. I mean, you're right, it just kind of sucks that you need to explain that.
Also, why are we even discussing this in a gun rights thread? It's irrelevant. The guy who wants to kill himself has a right to own a gun, so long as he doesn't get brains on the drapes. (Seriously, the heroin would be a lot less costly in terms of pain and cleanup, and you could even make it look like you wanted to continue living around all the boring, uneducated, pretentious, socialist, mongoloid American submitizens you're surrounded by.) Besides, his right to off himself is compatible to some extent with his right to own a firearm. Especially if he does it outside, and/or standing directly next to a really annoying anti-gun politician. Also: suicides don't count because the gun was both used as intended by the purchaser, and because the intentional (non-cry-for-help) suicides have other viable alternatives, assuming they have an IQ over 50. You can't ban tall buildings and cliffs, nor can you ban heroin or alcohol (effectively).
Only the murderous armed GOVERNMENT thugs in the USA can be trusted with scary "high capacity magazines" and machine guns (stop calling them assault rifles, idiots!). Their slaves cannot be so trusted, as evidenced by Fast and Furious, and the Waco massacre, and the commonplace murder of mostly black and latino teenagers in the "Prohibition 2: The Revenge" inner cities.
Hmmm. In the USA, the people who have been least responsible, least well-trained, and most callously murderous with their firearms are both (1) the police (Washington would have called them a "standing army" generally kill people like Donald Scott and Cory Maye, but Cory Maye was a little quicker on the draw) and (2) the ATF (several thousand deaths resulting from "Fast and Furious" although you brainless prohibitionists might not think they count, because they're brown. As well as 86 whites in Waco, and a nursing mother shot in the neck, and her son, in Idaho). So, you do want to disarm the ATF and the police, right? Or could it be that you're an authoritarian who believes the government should have absolute power to kill dissidents and the political opposition of the incumbent party?
Point is murder has a special harm that other kinds of death don't. It might be worth it to spend X dollars to stop Z lost life years from murder but not from cancer.
Just like gun free zones prevent criminals from getting in and using a gun to kill every last defenseless person in there.....
cough mexico cough
all these gun deaths include criminals shot by cops and moms defending their children vs bad guys that would otherwise kill them, for example...
and even with that the author notes they are better off spending money going after diseases or accidents not related to "gun control"
a good read either way
I’m concerned about an incidental (and likely unwanted) possession of firearms and ammunition---it’s an issue I haven’t seen discussed anywhere: An Undiscussed Gun Issue: Disposing of Guns from an Estate (http://carolyncholland.word...
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"We are prisoners of the theistic belief in hell as just punishment, andwe resent that people should be allowed to avoid their justcomeuppances in life by resort to the expedient of suicide."
It's not just theism.
It's also the other religion.
You are expected to worship The Tribe.
If you refuse, The Tribe wants to hurt you.
Severely.
I find Bill Whittle's arguments made at: http://www.youtube.com/watc.... to be extremely persuasive.
Well, a lot, actually. Let's start with Stephen Badylak's regenerative medicine... More would be available without the tyrants at the FDA and DEA who claim first ownership of our bodies...
[If the guns are rendered illegal to own, some of these known owners will surrender their firearms.]Like 1928 Germany's Jews did, and Stalin's democided Ukrainians did, and Mao's...I'll stop listing them, and just list the end number. It's a nice large number that's easy for irrational people to ignore (with glazed eyes): 170,000,000+. That's how many innocent people were murdered by becoming demonstrably inferior in power to the stormtroopers of their government.
We had a DEA, ATF, and IRS before 2001. Now we have a DHS. WTF???!!!! Department of Homeland Security? What's next? Sturm-abteilung? Volks-Guard? They pop up like mushrooms after a rain.
Well, that and the fact that "gun control now" tends to produce democide. Democide is worse than even the rape and murder in our "Land of the Free" cities of disarmed tax-serfs. Chicago, LA, NYC, and other places where rape and murder victims aren't allowed adequate tools of defense lead the nation in gun violence. Wait ...I thought prohibition worked. I also thought everyone knew what "the law of unintended consequences" meant.
[Finally, gun control like Obamacare may change American society into something more modern, something more competitive with other developed countries.]But because anyone who knows anything about history, economics, philosophy and logic knows better, we're not going to try it. You see, every democidal regime has first banned guns for non-incumbent power. The result is mass murder on a scale you can't even wrap your tiny mind around. So yeah, ...not gonna happen.
Yeah, they are kind of murderous, aren't they? I noticed that, too.
[The primary disutility from tolerating murder is not life-years lost, but the broad erosive effects on the general level of trust in society.]Tolerating murder sucks. ...Yeah, like in that video, "The Cannibal Warlords of Liberia." Man, this conversation is getting far afield of common sense. I mean, you're right, it just kind of sucks that you need to explain that.
Also, why are we even discussing this in a gun rights thread? It's irrelevant. The guy who wants to kill himself has a right to own a gun, so long as he doesn't get brains on the drapes. (Seriously, the heroin would be a lot less costly in terms of pain and cleanup, and you could even make it look like you wanted to continue living around all the boring, uneducated, pretentious, socialist, mongoloid American submitizens you're surrounded by.) Besides, his right to off himself is compatible to some extent with his right to own a firearm. Especially if he does it outside, and/or standing directly next to a really annoying anti-gun politician. Also: suicides don't count because the gun was both used as intended by the purchaser, and because the intentional (non-cry-for-help) suicides have other viable alternatives, assuming they have an IQ over 50. You can't ban tall buildings and cliffs, nor can you ban heroin or alcohol (effectively).
blame Canada
Only the murderous armed GOVERNMENT thugs in the USA can be trusted with scary "high capacity magazines" and machine guns (stop calling them assault rifles, idiots!). Their slaves cannot be so trusted, as evidenced by Fast and Furious, and the Waco massacre, and the commonplace murder of mostly black and latino teenagers in the "Prohibition 2: The Revenge" inner cities.
Hmmm. In the USA, the people who have been least responsible, least well-trained, and most callously murderous with their firearms are both (1) the police (Washington would have called them a "standing army" generally kill people like Donald Scott and Cory Maye, but Cory Maye was a little quicker on the draw) and (2) the ATF (several thousand deaths resulting from "Fast and Furious" although you brainless prohibitionists might not think they count, because they're brown. As well as 86 whites in Waco, and a nursing mother shot in the neck, and her son, in Idaho). So, you do want to disarm the ATF and the police, right? Or could it be that you're an authoritarian who believes the government should have absolute power to kill dissidents and the political opposition of the incumbent party?