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Most nations have territorial taxation. There seems to be only one example of a country using US-style citizenship-based taxation (besides the US itself), namely Eritrea.

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Alex Andronikou's avatar

thanks my friend :)

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Who would fight a “woke crusade”? Woke ideology is, effectively, the hegemonic US ideology and it particularly demonises Russia. So, in short, the US military would fight a “woke crusade”—it already has done so, to an extent, in countries like Afghanistan.

Russia is conceptualised, in the woke view, as being the embodiment of anti-woke values: a quasi—demonic enemy. She is a “white” country (using woke standards), she is promoting traditional Christianity, she is anti-LGBT, she backs “white supremacists” in the US, and she opposes the wider foreign policy aims of the US in the world.

Further, a substantial portion of the American political system is now so self-deluded as to believe that Russia put Trump in power. Senior Democrats probably do not believe this, but the propaganda offensive of the last few years has created hundreds of thousands of “true believers”. Young activists entering politics will, in particular, have known almost nothing except the “Russia put Trump in power” line. When the Democrats eventually return to power, you will see people who really believe that “Russia stole the election” in positions of power and responsibility. Worse, they will assume that people within the American system have been subverted by Russia on a massive scale.

MAD should assure that there are no hostilities between Russia and the USA, but MAD also assumes that the people in charge in each country have a certain level of trust regarding their own systems. If you live in a country where you suspect that your political opponents are controlled by an opposing country, how will that shift your incentives?

Conditions are assured for a radical misreading of Putin’s intentions, particularly because wokeness in complete power will not trust assessments of Russia’s intentions from within their own military and security structure (assumed to be compromised by the years of Trump).

So we have a confluence of factors that could lead to war: years of hysterical ideological animus and demonisation, a widespread assumption that hostile action has already taken place (Trump’s “Russia-backed” election), and lack of trust in your own “subverted” system.

This could be enough to tip the balance towards war by accident, even if this is strictly irrational on the MAD model.

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disqus_2YvG85xdvS's avatar

You seem to be leaving out the Taiping wars with over 20 million killed. Also the Mongol invasions. The death of leading powers like Imperial Rome and China leads to unrest, war, and death that are usually substantial.

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JW Ogden's avatar

It's out of the way of the nuclear powers.

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j_m_h's avatar

https://www.lesswrong.com/p... might be of some use.

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Pepper's avatar

Depends on the taxation policies of your second citizenship, right? Some nations have territorial taxation.

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Ketil M's avatar

One reason for the apparent clustering of conflicts, could be that wars (like economic depression) cause instability, which again cause (or at least prepares the ground for) more wars/conflicts.

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BDS's avatar

Robin caused you to ask for evidence.

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BDS's avatar

The tax consequences are fairly prohibitive.

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RobinHanson's avatar

This is often done by historians.

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Sun Day's avatar

Supporting evidence for this claim?

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Sun Day's avatar

This seems highly unprincipled to me. Can you explain why you would combine them?

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RobinHanson's avatar

There are no causes that aren't caused by something else.

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Lord's avatar

The anti science, anti expert, anti data mentality seems much riskier, leading to supporting fervent ideologies, economic stress and failure. I am not sure ideologies should be viewed as the source but as the result of other factors, latched onto in times of distress and turmoil, such as the depression leading to WWII.

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RobinHanson's avatar

The new ideology isn't intrinsically within state, nor were the old ones intrinsically between states. All new ideologies start out with only part of some states, and must work to dominate individual states.

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