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Another consideration is the ongoing research on extending/prolonging lifespans. If successful, I would expect birthrate to plummet, and child-centred cultures to diminish. (And to our detriment, in my opinion.)

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The trouble with most scenarios is: The Hegel. Thesis-Antithesis. Development A will lead to change B which will affect A. But extrapolation is fun, as is nitpicking; thus my 11 nits:

1. Extinction: see Hegel: less kids - less people – more space – more kids. If I had 3 bedrooms more, we had 2 kids more. Also more gas, land, power per person – makes people richer (see Europe's boom after the plague); richer and more space= more kids (see 2).

2. Poverty: Nationally in the west, TFR is a U-curve, the poorest AND richest have more kids. The richest have most. - That said, one wonders what will happen in Pakistan and Nigeria this century.  

2. Big War: More poverty, sure; more kids: maybe, but much lower survival rates if Civ. + health care crashes + high radiation, possibly. HC may often be a „wasteful signal“, but for mom+kid surviving birth, it actually has some use - https://ourworldindata.org/maternal-mortality#where-are-women-most-at-risk-of-dying-in-childbirth .  

3. Old Moms: Sounds like more will have a kid, but mostly ONE kid. More mature mothers are more „responsible“.

4. Frozen Eggs: See 3. Mostly an excuse to delay kids „till the 12th of never“!

5. Robot Nannies: Yep, nice. But robot-wifes/hubbies might be much easier to do – total fertility crash in a generation. ;)  

6. DNA Selection: Given time and evolutionary pressure (TFR is BIG pressure!), this is my No1 scenario. Bryan Caplan is „dark triad“? As me (5 kids)? Conformity is no issue when all those child-less died out.

7. Insular Subculture: Amish, Mormons, orthodox Jews are doing fine – and a billion muslims. Not so insular, maybe. 

8. Parenting Factories: lol. AI-kids are even cheaper – and they shall call in as often as you like! Though I like the efficiency gains at this family of 181: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziona#:~:text=Zion%2Da%20(76)%2C,state%20because%20of%20the%20family video (when they were only 175): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX4H0mn0qKA

9. Gap Decade: Too expensive. And the non-kids-crazy will just travel the globe + tik-tok.

10. Gender Roles: that seems the most far-fetched, but see 6 and 7.

11. Nation Subsidy: Sounds more efficient than 9. Say 500k for 1 kid, 50k for each more should cover the opportunity costs for most. Might be well be worth it, if those kids are „high-quality“. Big IF.

12. Kid Debt/Equity: Actually a lot like 11. Private investors might be much better in finding the „right rate“ for each kid: „This will return just 1 million over a lifetime, we pay 20k now for the right of 10% of his income - incl. dole.“ „This one is high-value, as parents are obviously doing fine, we will invest half a million by providing a ‚free‘ nanny and a place in a 'Chinese kindergarten'.“

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