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Berder's avatar

> Until the last century or two, states had far weaker capacities to intervene in their societies. Even so, they typically used a big fraction of what state capacity they had, and they were plausibly adaptive cultures. This suggests that until recently the non-libertarian stance was in fact typically adaptive, even if maybe it didn’t make people happy or fit your moral intuitions.

All those old feudal states went extinct, proving they were not adaptive. There's no more feudalism.

"Adaptive" ultimately just means "able to continue and propagate." Every form of government that's no longer used was not adaptive, and every form of government currently used is adaptive, for the time being. There's no normative value to be drawn here. What's adaptive is no more nor less than what exists. That's a different question from what is good.

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Phil Getts's avatar

Re. "And that’s why libertarian policy seems roughly adaptive and efficient today, when it usually wasn’t until a few centuries ago." --

I would say libertarian policy couldn't be conceived of until a few centuries ago, because libertarianism isn't anarchy. It's a complex cultural technology which enables society to function while providing individual liberties. It required inventing money, free markets, free speech, rational discussion, arguably either guns or navies, a mathematical framework for probability, the reconceptualization of compromise as a good thing, democracy, and the delegitimization of religion, just for starters. "Free speech", for example, doesn't just mean "tell people to go say whatever they want"; it's a complex juridical theory which directed the construction, over centuries, of a legislative process for managing free speech. Likewise rational discussion doesn't just mean telling people to be smart; it's a set of ground rules about epistemology, politeness, and the tabooing of claims of certainty. All these things are technologies, in the sense of being complex, though intangible, mechanisms, with interlocking parts that produce behavior not inherent in the parts alone. And you need all of them for Enlightenment libertarianism to work.

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