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It's a natural tendency for anyone / country possessing power (doing good also enhances power) and making errors while exercising their influence to achieving further goals. May be this tendency could be due to rampant industrialisation, globalisation, and the consequent acquisition of economic development, pci gaps and leading countries (first world) into a false sense of superiority, Today we do observe many economic, and social gaps in these societies.

Doing 'good' and expecting returns for the same is not 'doing good'. Selfish tendencies are an act of survival for the weak and insecure in a moral sense. That's why priests who traditionally hold power over man as the avatar of God, loses out on the power race, when the followers / subjects get to understand the sometimes selfish tendencies of the priest/ king/ government. Modernity, through active media channels and networking has helped in enabling a more equitable and transparent world into our common future.

The US like any other country had the opportunity to 'do good', in the pure sense of giving and not through exploitation. I hasten to state that the writer's positive statements about America is so true and has gained the respect and maybe envy of the other nations. A big brother will gain respect and love from his actions (helpful) for his siblings and members beyond the family. America has a respectable history of philanthropy, social security schemes et. al. Collective good cannot come without enlightened leadership which stands up stoically against greed, selfishness, pride, and the other basic errors going against encouraging and ensuring a more humane society. A more humane society established globally will ensure minimum equity, sharing, trust and consequently, happiness for all of man.

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Prince Charles is an immoral, hypocritical idiot. He is no icon of morality or of science or of liberalism and is no member of any groups that are (as far as I know). I don't see any way that he could possibly get a claim on group morality by belonging to a particular group.

I don't really understand your position. If you don't accept the science of AGW, then Al Gore's actions will have no impact on AGW, no impact on Greenland melting, no impact on sea level rise, and so can't have a moral value.

If you do accept the science of AGW, then if GHG emissions are compensated for (as Al Gore's are), then there is no increase in GHG due to certain activities, there is no increase in global warming due to certain activities, there is no accelerated melting of Greenland, there is no accelerated rise in sea level, there can be no moral issue over a non-existent increase.

Compact fluorescent light bulbs are more energy efficient than tungsten filament, they also last a lot longer (~10x). They are cheaper both to purchase and to operate. If one replaces ten 100 Watt incandescent bulbs with ten 18 Watt compact fluorescent bulbs, one uses ~820 fewer Watts per hour of operation. If we look at the energy cost of operating an electric oven

http://www.consumerenergyce...

Assuming the liberal NYT readers use a slightly more efficient electric convection oven, the power consumption is 1.39 kwhr for 45 minutes at 325 F. Assuming steady state, an hour at 500 F in an 80 F ambient would use ((60/45) * (500-80) / (325-80) )* 1.39 = 3.18 kwhr.

So by operating 10 CFL instead of 10 incandescent bulbs for 3.9 hours, the CFL user who bakes pizza in an oven for an hour is energy consumption neutral. If pizza is cooked this way once a week, then using CFLs for less than one hour a day makes up for the energy use in cooking the pizza.

Where is the immorality in that?

If you don't accept the science of AGW, then there is no ice melting and sea level rise to talk about. If you do accept the science of AGW, then maybe cooking pizza that way is profligate, but it needn't be.

Does anyone dispute that adultery is immoral? Do those “moral leaders” claim that what they are doing is mitigating their immorality? If Gingrich had open marriages with his former wives, where having sex with other people was understood by them to be acceptable, then what he did would not be immoral. But he and is former wives did not have open marriages. Gingrich has not gotten his earlier marriages annulled, which means they never happened (in Gingrich's eyes). So cheating on his then wives is not now adultery because those were just fake marriages.

Is this the kind of “morality” that is acceptable for “leaders” to exhibit?

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