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Berder's avatar

You're failing to make any distinction between what people *think* is right, and what actually *is* right. Surely, at least for empirical or mathematical facts, what people *think* is right may not actually be right. I hope you agree that might cannot make 2+2=5.

Nor can might make Biblical stories right - which a large segment of the world population believes to be closely tied to their values. If that segment of the population understood that their fables are factually incorrect, then at least some of their moral values would change. Factually, there was not an entity called God that banned humans from wearing mixed fabrics or doing many other things. If those who avoid wearing mixed fabrics knew this, then their moral value against wearing mixed fabrics (and doing many other things) would likely change.

Values depend on facts. If a person's values depend on false factual beliefs, then their values are wrong. Values can be wrong.

Values can be wrong for other reasons than that, too. Generally speaking, what a person values after lengthy reflection and consideration, is more legitimate than what they valued initially. What you *really* value is what you would value if you considered it until you reached reflective equilibrium. Any value that you wouldn't hold in a state of reflective equilibrium, is wrong. (Just as any fact you wouldn't hold in a state of reflective equilibrium - having seen all relevant evidence - is wrong).

Reaching a state of reflective equilibrium with respect to values involves learning more facts, resolving conflicts between values (a person can hold two mutually incompatible values without realizing it, but once realizing it they would want to resolve this tension) and trying to form justifications for why they ought to value a certain thing, referring back to facts, consequences, and more fundamental values.

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Jack's avatar

The universal is that adaptation of all kinds is painful. Every item on your list.

Over the last 500 years, and especially since WWII, the western economies have been able to sand off the rough edges of life and mostly keep things like hunger, poverty, crime, disease, ecological degradation, rights violations, and war at a minimum. This relative comfort is not the norm for the vast majority of human existence, nor for life on Earth generally.

Which makes me wonder: Is it possible to get back to rapid adaptation while we maintain this comfortable life we've gotten used to?

Now Malthus might say: We can enjoy being fat and slow for the time being, but eventually we will bump into *some* hard boundary that will make us uncomfortable again, and this will force us back into adaptive mode. I can see why people would want to defer that.

The one place where we seem to still welcome ruthless competition (and "might makes right") is the economy. Maybe that is our out. If a system like futarchy can bring cultural issues into the economic sphere, that could increase our rate of adaptation.

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