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This was very helpful and explained a great deal that was unclear in your last posts on the subject. Here you identify a particular mechanism you think explains why our current norms/culture is likely to be superior to that in the future -- namely that our current culture is the result of competition amoung a diverse range of cultural choices while you suggest globalization of culture reduces this selective pressure.

And while I certainly see the worries there it seems particularly weird for your worry here to be driven by concerns over fertility.

First, changes in fertility seem relatively unique in being driven by economic changes primarily rather than cultural ones. Sure, some groups adopt culture that attempts to resist those economic incentives but it seems to primarily be a combination of women becoming equally valuable workers and a lack of similar increase in the value of domestic workers, the reduced economic value of children and decreased child mortality. Hence why, even with quite alot of cultural variation still left (Japan didn't reduce their birth rate just to copy western values or vice versa) we see such general reductions in reproduction.

Second, it's odd because this is probably the one area where cultural forces have the weakest long term power -- the more such norms work the greater fraction of the next generation are the children of norm breakers. In the very long term (say 1000 years) biological evolution will operate strongly to select for people who are particularly inclined to reproduce whatever the culture might think.

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In replying to you I realized I was still a bit hazy on your model. I mean, I presume you are making an argument that there is something special about this point in history (so, eg, the ancient Babylonians shouldn't have found the same argument convincing) so then is your model this:

1) Inside any given culture isolated from external effects cultural change is more likely to be harmful than helpful.

2) Up till now this tendency of mutations to be harmful has been counterbalanced by global cultural selection (cultures with bad mutations were outcompeted and disappeared).

3) Globalization of culture eliminates this selective pressure so we should expect things to get worse in the future.

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I see the appeal but the argument does seem to make a relatively strong appeal to group selection mechanisms that aren't always super strong.

Or am I wrong and even ancient cultures should have guessed cultural change would on net harm the world?

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