I talk often about "signaling," i.e., acting to show observers one's desirable qualities. "Screening" is matching actions by observers, who can go out of their way to encourage signaling. For example, you might insult someone to see how they react to insults. Similarly,
Hi Robin, my interpretation of what was observed with the monkeys, is that the female orgasm is designed to pudh the male to orgasm. The rush of energy into the pelvic area as well as the contractions of the vagina, signals the end of the session and brings the male to climax. The time the woman takes is related to the build-up time for the sperm she is allowing for.
Woman will often fake orgasms to bring the male to climax.
In the case of less dominant males they do not require the encouragement and therefore climax before the womans climax becomes triggered.
The more attractive the man finds the woman, the faster he comes to orgasm.
So in my view, the female orgasm was created to support the male orgasm.
I tottaly agree with this. Having travelled the world extensively and had numerous lovers. I can attest that when you want to impress a woman who you do want to see more of, you make her orgasm, you dont let her, you make her. If on the other hand its just a one night stand, the last thing you want to do is make her orgasm or let her orgasm. Typically, this is a good time for the man to orgasm as fast as possible, and move on to new conquests.But when you're locked in with a woman you love , then let her orgasm the way she wants every now and then, otherwise I tend to make women orgasm to kind of guarantee their loyalty. It works. But a real, full blown orgasm, also tends to leave most women without sexual appetite for days..........as opposed to the stories of full blown multiple orgasms. I beg to differ from experience. One real good one and all women I know were OOC. Out Of Commission, quite similar to what I feel after ejaculation. But men are ready to go again in 20 minutes or so, the women, that is all 250 or so, never recovered and didnt want to continue. Once, because the first orgasm was weak, I was asked to do it again. Once in 25+ years. So called mutiple orgasms are just a string of weak pleasurable moments that feel like a woman has orgasmed. Thats why most men are seriously confused that a woman getting wet is a woman having an orgasm. Comical. Because when they really do have an orgasm they never want to go back to their former partners. Ditto that about 100 times.;)
after reading this... i understand something that has been bothering me for 20 years.
there was one girl.....just one..... that i couldnt control my ejaculation with. it was 3 minutes and done....every time.... (how depressing it was). and i have had sex for HOURS with other girls....girls that were every bit as attractive and sexy as this one... but this one, shook my self confidence....... i always thought it was just because her vagina must just have felt better than any other female i had been with...... but looking back, she was a female that was totally a player. she had a group of males sniffing around her always. she was the kind of girl other girls hated... cause their boyfriends would WANT her. now i see that with her, i must have felt as if there would be other males to compete with...... how interesting.
If a female is with a higher status male I would expect her to be more excited about it, thus easier to aroused and orgasm. I would believe the reverse of this to be true as well.
To take into a human example, take a rich high society New York house wife and tell her that she had to have sex with the bum that lives off her trash. I would suspect she would be anything but interested, and I would doubt she would orgasm without alot of effort from the male.
In the Monkey study could they measure if the monkey female was faking an orgasm to show off who she was mating with? After which did her status change?
once again we see evolutionary arguments used to justify pretty much anything one wants. i thought it was in bears' (humans?) interest to ejaculate quickly? make up your minds will ya?
Baker (Sperm Wars) posits that orgasm is a way for the female body to help her sexual partner in sperm swimming competition. If female orgasms immediately after male ejaculation, it helps this partner's sperm to reach uterus, and also prevents later partner's sperm from doing the same.
This is useful for example if she first has extra-pair copulation with a mate with superior genes, and later copulates with her own mate with inferior genes. I don't think Baker's idea conflicts with the idea here. Orgasm serves multiple purposes.
Baker also makes the distinction between clitoral, G-spot and vaginal orgasms, and claims that they may serve different evolutiory purposes. Many people have conflicting meaning for the term female orgasm, so I think one should clarify the terminology. This may be difficult, because peculiarly, many western women seem to consider even the concept of vaginal orgasm offensive.
SortingItOut: No, you should treat it as a remnant of our primitive past, just like many other biases! But yeah being great in bed is probably "high status" :)
One thing seems a little confusing to me here, and you have probably explained earlier, but, what are we defining "high status men" as? In the animal kingdom status seems a little more objective. In the kingdom of man perception of status is very subjective and based on the interests of those evaluating. So should I generalize status and success as accumulation of wealth and fame with regard to this argument?
The company who published the article you cite (Pelvipharm) is in the business of developing new drugs to sell for manipulating ejaculatory latency, among other things. Their study reflects that. They are not trying to "overcome bias". If you wish to discuss the issue of ejaculatory latency, please contact me by email: there is a contact box on my blog, retiredurologist.com.
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Hi Robin, my interpretation of what was observed with the monkeys, is that the female orgasm is designed to pudh the male to orgasm. The rush of energy into the pelvic area as well as the contractions of the vagina, signals the end of the session and brings the male to climax. The time the woman takes is related to the build-up time for the sperm she is allowing for.
Woman will often fake orgasms to bring the male to climax.
In the case of less dominant males they do not require the encouragement and therefore climax before the womans climax becomes triggered.
The more attractive the man finds the woman, the faster he comes to orgasm.
So in my view, the female orgasm was created to support the male orgasm.
I tottaly agree with this. Having travelled the world extensively and had numerous lovers. I can attest that when you want to impress a woman who you do want to see more of, you make her orgasm, you dont let her, you make her. If on the other hand its just a one night stand, the last thing you want to do is make her orgasm or let her orgasm. Typically, this is a good time for the man to orgasm as fast as possible, and move on to new conquests.But when you're locked in with a woman you love , then let her orgasm the way she wants every now and then, otherwise I tend to make women orgasm to kind of guarantee their loyalty. It works. But a real, full blown orgasm, also tends to leave most women without sexual appetite for days..........as opposed to the stories of full blown multiple orgasms. I beg to differ from experience. One real good one and all women I know were OOC. Out Of Commission, quite similar to what I feel after ejaculation. But men are ready to go again in 20 minutes or so, the women, that is all 250 or so, never recovered and didnt want to continue. Once, because the first orgasm was weak, I was asked to do it again. Once in 25+ years. So called mutiple orgasms are just a string of weak pleasurable moments that feel like a woman has orgasmed. Thats why most men are seriously confused that a woman getting wet is a woman having an orgasm. Comical. Because when they really do have an orgasm they never want to go back to their former partners. Ditto that about 100 times.;)
after reading this... i understand something that has been bothering me for 20 years.
there was one girl.....just one..... that i couldnt control my ejaculation with. it was 3 minutes and done....every time.... (how depressing it was). and i have had sex for HOURS with other girls....girls that were every bit as attractive and sexy as this one... but this one, shook my self confidence....... i always thought it was just because her vagina must just have felt better than any other female i had been with...... but looking back, she was a female that was totally a player. she had a group of males sniffing around her always. she was the kind of girl other girls hated... cause their boyfriends would WANT her. now i see that with her, i must have felt as if there would be other males to compete with...... how interesting.
Isn't during sex a little late to be screening partners?
that why i dont date ghetto girls
Here's a thought, mostly anecdotal.
If a female is with a higher status male I would expect her to be more excited about it, thus easier to aroused and orgasm. I would believe the reverse of this to be true as well.
To take into a human example, take a rich high society New York house wife and tell her that she had to have sex with the bum that lives off her trash. I would suspect she would be anything but interested, and I would doubt she would orgasm without alot of effort from the male.
In the Monkey study could they measure if the monkey female was faking an orgasm to show off who she was mating with? After which did her status change?
once again we see evolutionary arguments used to justify pretty much anything one wants. i thought it was in bears' (humans?) interest to ejaculate quickly? make up your minds will ya?
Baker (Sperm Wars) posits that orgasm is a way for the female body to help her sexual partner in sperm swimming competition. If female orgasms immediately after male ejaculation, it helps this partner's sperm to reach uterus, and also prevents later partner's sperm from doing the same.
This is useful for example if she first has extra-pair copulation with a mate with superior genes, and later copulates with her own mate with inferior genes. I don't think Baker's idea conflicts with the idea here. Orgasm serves multiple purposes.
Baker also makes the distinction between clitoral, G-spot and vaginal orgasms, and claims that they may serve different evolutiory purposes. Many people have conflicting meaning for the term female orgasm, so I think one should clarify the terminology. This may be difficult, because peculiarly, many western women seem to consider even the concept of vaginal orgasm offensive.
This is a great way to look at things. Humans are, after all, animals. Killer stuff here.
Thanks!
SortingItOut: No, you should treat it as a remnant of our primitive past, just like many other biases! But yeah being great in bed is probably "high status" :)
One thing seems a little confusing to me here, and you have probably explained earlier, but, what are we defining "high status men" as? In the animal kingdom status seems a little more objective. In the kingdom of man perception of status is very subjective and based on the interests of those evaluating. So should I generalize status and success as accumulation of wealth and fame with regard to this argument?
@Santeri
The company who published the article you cite (Pelvipharm) is in the business of developing new drugs to sell for manipulating ejaculatory latency, among other things. Their study reflects that. They are not trying to "overcome bias". If you wish to discuss the issue of ejaculatory latency, please contact me by email: there is a contact box on my blog, retiredurologist.com.