Richard Chappell suggests morning larks treat night owls unfairly: Scheduling maintenance work on campus housing for 7:45am somehow doesn’t strike the university as grossly inconsiderate, the way that scheduling it for 11pm surely would. … It should be common knowledge that there’s a fair bit of variation in the sleep schedules of graduate students. …. Perhaps [early-risers] think that any grad student who’s still asleep at 8am is just “sleeping in”, the way that they themselves might do on a lazy weekend. … Perhaps the inconsistent treatment is thought to be justified by early-riser moralizing: really (the thought goes), people ought to wake early. Those on later sleep schedules must just be lazy.
Very good analogy! Owls are equally as productive as larks and vice versa. Larks perform better earlier and owls perform their best a bit later. Larks perform less than owls do on an owl schedule and vice versa. Larks start stronger earlier and owls finish stronger later.
Thankfully this is no longer the norm. Owls are equally as productive as larks. Larks perform better earlier and owls perform their best a bit later. Larks perform less than owls do on an owl schedule and vice versa. Larks start stronger earlier and owls finish stronger later. Two hours is not a big difference and it makes a world of difference for employees across the company performing at their best. Neuroscientist Matthew Walker has set the stage around the world and like so; companies around the world are changing their ways to increase productivity and have employees work in the schedules in which they perform best.
Yes! Thankfully someone here has sense! This is a no brainer! At the beginning and end of the day we are all a tribe and tribes work better when they work together, not against each other. We need both larks and owls, not one or the other.
Thankfully this is no longer the norm. Owls are equally as productive as larks. Larks perform better earlier and owls perform their best a bit later. Larks perform less than owls do on an owl schedule and vice versa. Larks start stronger earlier and owls finish stronger later. Two hours is not a big difference and it makes a world of difference for employees across the company performing at their best. Neuroscientist Matthew Walker has set the stage around the world and like so; companies around the world are changing their ways to increase productivity and have employees work in the schedules in which they perform best.
Thankfully change is a constant. Just because one society was built around larks, doesn't mean it will stay that way. Society consists of both larks and owls and this is what the present and future of industry looks like. Living against your Circadium rhythm is among the most unhealthy things you can do for yourself or your children. Owls don't all wake up at noon, this is an overstatement. An owl that goes to bed at midnight can easily rise at 8am, and there are many variations of this. All of society does not and should not rise at 5am/6am. If this were the case, all of society would shut down at 7pm. Do you need groceries? Gas? Shopping? Society needs both because society is made up of both. There are already schools opening later to accommodate these differences. Healthy change is good and this is healthy change.
Your small minded comment only further proves the chastisement of owls by 'some' larks, like yourself. It is comments and actions like what you've stated in your previous comment that have brought this discrimination to light and it won't succeed in the workforce. Don't worry, in this day and age, owls don't want or have to work for you.
The book "Why We Sleep" by Neuroscientist Matthew Walker explains this in great detail. The last comment below by Stephen only further proves the truth of the content in the above article about some larks chastising owls. Larks often (thought not always) chastise owls, like in the statement below. Sounds like you don't want intelligent individuals with any sense of creativity in your company, don't worry; we don't want anything to do with your company. An owl that knows who they are and what is best for their health, would not want to work for you; they'll take their intelligence and skills elsewhere. In this day and age, owls are being presented with more job flexibility and work opportunity. This allows them to work a schedule that is more in sync with their bodies. At this rate, a greater degree of Owls will be consumed by the job market that allows employees to start at 10am. Larks are not bad by nature at all, but the chastising and small minded approach to business is being brought to light and to be honest, it's ugly. Fortunately there are larks in the world that are very intelligent, kind, understanding and are hiring owls in the work force. Matthew Walker does not state that Larks or Owls are more intelligent than one another; he does point out that they both function at their best in their corresponding schedules (larks earlier, owls a bit later). Large companies around the globe like Google, etc, have had counseling by Matthew Walker and adopted these principles for maximum efficiency. Larks do their best early and Owls do their best later, so they have adopted hours to accommodate both. Pushing owls to work against their Circadium rhythm, raises their risk for a great many degenerative diseases and health issues. At some point, the chastisement of owls over early hours will be grounds for discrimination in the work force. There is a place for everyone in the world and in the workforce.
Robertwib the exact reason you like being awake at night is the very reason I love the morning. have you ever woken up around 4 am? most people are still asleep, it's peaceful and beautiful and I get to enjoy it in reasonable silence. Larks and Owls are not that different, we just like to divide each other and "prove" who's better.
thank you! Larks don't usually go around at night spitting their anger at having to be awake at Owls enjoying the best part of their day. And with so many opportunities to work any time you want no one can really say that Owls are persecuted. how ridiculous is that? get a job that starts later for goodness sake.
All the general patterns of morning people (agreeable, conscientious, dependable, conformist) are the kinds of things that bosses want for their avg workforce. I wonder if society structured itself to purposefully (though not fully consciously) create jobs in the morning, knowing that this would weed out those who aren't the type of people who would be good workers. If you can't show up in the morning, then you're probably a night owl and if you're a night owl, you're probably non-conformist, undependable, creative, and I don't want you working in my company.
All right, since weiss added to this, I don't feel too guilty putting in my two cents, which are as follows: In my subcultural corner of the world, while larkness is certainly seen as somewhat admirable, it's not considered remotely wrong to be an owl, and the "standard refrain" is much more anti-lark than anti-owl. Larks are above and beyond the "normal", baseline owls, in all the good and bad ways that entails. ("Goddamn morning people! So perfect all the time!")
I'm thinking of the many Calvin and Hobbes cartoons where Calvin's father awakes at five AM and says "are you going to waste the whole day?" (A parody at the lark's expense). Perhaps it is entirely because of Bill Watterson that I retain a sense that my culture sees larks the way it sees politicians — targets to make fun of yet furtively envy.
When I was a senior in high school I had enough credit to take a free credit, most people took their last period off, but I was smart and took my 1st period off. It was the best thing that ever happened to me! I ate a good breakfast then rode my bike to to school without any traffic and got to my second period class ready to start the day with everyone else still tired, grumbling, and hungry. It was awesome!
As a person who is both a morning and night person everyday, I have nothing to say about this that hasn't already been said.But I did laugh. You poor guys. xD
Your questions seem to assume that going to sleep is just a matter of deciding to, and having 'willpower'. But sleep is part of a complex cycle; why would an owl go to bed at 10 PM if it just means he tosses and turns for 3 hours and feels like dirt upon waking?
The right question is to ask, why do owls not use melatonin supplements to physiological modify their sleep cycle to be more lark-like? (They already are modifying their sleep cycle by using caffeine, after all.)
I think it's a combination of ignorance and misguided fear of pharmaceuticals. Certainly the numbers check out:http://lesswrong.com/lw/1lt...
I'd also note that it's not as if this were a contentious theory and there aren't decades of studies on teenager sleep cycles & melatonin secretion & scores; I ran across yet another one today on _Science News_.
I just noticed this reply. Read it, and became entirely confused why I got involved in a discussion about birds.
Very good analogy! Owls are equally as productive as larks and vice versa. Larks perform better earlier and owls perform their best a bit later. Larks perform less than owls do on an owl schedule and vice versa. Larks start stronger earlier and owls finish stronger later.
Thankfully this is no longer the norm. Owls are equally as productive as larks. Larks perform better earlier and owls perform their best a bit later. Larks perform less than owls do on an owl schedule and vice versa. Larks start stronger earlier and owls finish stronger later. Two hours is not a big difference and it makes a world of difference for employees across the company performing at their best. Neuroscientist Matthew Walker has set the stage around the world and like so; companies around the world are changing their ways to increase productivity and have employees work in the schedules in which they perform best.
Yes! Thankfully someone here has sense! This is a no brainer! At the beginning and end of the day we are all a tribe and tribes work better when they work together, not against each other. We need both larks and owls, not one or the other.
Thankfully this is no longer the norm. Owls are equally as productive as larks. Larks perform better earlier and owls perform their best a bit later. Larks perform less than owls do on an owl schedule and vice versa. Larks start stronger earlier and owls finish stronger later. Two hours is not a big difference and it makes a world of difference for employees across the company performing at their best. Neuroscientist Matthew Walker has set the stage around the world and like so; companies around the world are changing their ways to increase productivity and have employees work in the schedules in which they perform best.
Thankfully change is a constant. Just because one society was built around larks, doesn't mean it will stay that way. Society consists of both larks and owls and this is what the present and future of industry looks like. Living against your Circadium rhythm is among the most unhealthy things you can do for yourself or your children. Owls don't all wake up at noon, this is an overstatement. An owl that goes to bed at midnight can easily rise at 8am, and there are many variations of this. All of society does not and should not rise at 5am/6am. If this were the case, all of society would shut down at 7pm. Do you need groceries? Gas? Shopping? Society needs both because society is made up of both. There are already schools opening later to accommodate these differences. Healthy change is good and this is healthy change.
Your small minded comment only further proves the chastisement of owls by 'some' larks, like yourself. It is comments and actions like what you've stated in your previous comment that have brought this discrimination to light and it won't succeed in the workforce. Don't worry, in this day and age, owls don't want or have to work for you.
The book "Why We Sleep" by Neuroscientist Matthew Walker explains this in great detail. The last comment below by Stephen only further proves the truth of the content in the above article about some larks chastising owls. Larks often (thought not always) chastise owls, like in the statement below. Sounds like you don't want intelligent individuals with any sense of creativity in your company, don't worry; we don't want anything to do with your company. An owl that knows who they are and what is best for their health, would not want to work for you; they'll take their intelligence and skills elsewhere. In this day and age, owls are being presented with more job flexibility and work opportunity. This allows them to work a schedule that is more in sync with their bodies. At this rate, a greater degree of Owls will be consumed by the job market that allows employees to start at 10am. Larks are not bad by nature at all, but the chastising and small minded approach to business is being brought to light and to be honest, it's ugly. Fortunately there are larks in the world that are very intelligent, kind, understanding and are hiring owls in the work force. Matthew Walker does not state that Larks or Owls are more intelligent than one another; he does point out that they both function at their best in their corresponding schedules (larks earlier, owls a bit later). Large companies around the globe like Google, etc, have had counseling by Matthew Walker and adopted these principles for maximum efficiency. Larks do their best early and Owls do their best later, so they have adopted hours to accommodate both. Pushing owls to work against their Circadium rhythm, raises their risk for a great many degenerative diseases and health issues. At some point, the chastisement of owls over early hours will be grounds for discrimination in the work force. There is a place for everyone in the world and in the workforce.
Robertwib the exact reason you like being awake at night is the very reason I love the morning. have you ever woken up around 4 am? most people are still asleep, it's peaceful and beautiful and I get to enjoy it in reasonable silence. Larks and Owls are not that different, we just like to divide each other and "prove" who's better.
thank you! Larks don't usually go around at night spitting their anger at having to be awake at Owls enjoying the best part of their day. And with so many opportunities to work any time you want no one can really say that Owls are persecuted. how ridiculous is that? get a job that starts later for goodness sake.
All the general patterns of morning people (agreeable, conscientious, dependable, conformist) are the kinds of things that bosses want for their avg workforce. I wonder if society structured itself to purposefully (though not fully consciously) create jobs in the morning, knowing that this would weed out those who aren't the type of people who would be good workers. If you can't show up in the morning, then you're probably a night owl and if you're a night owl, you're probably non-conformist, undependable, creative, and I don't want you working in my company.
All right, since weiss added to this, I don't feel too guilty putting in my two cents, which are as follows: In my subcultural corner of the world, while larkness is certainly seen as somewhat admirable, it's not considered remotely wrong to be an owl, and the "standard refrain" is much more anti-lark than anti-owl. Larks are above and beyond the "normal", baseline owls, in all the good and bad ways that entails. ("Goddamn morning people! So perfect all the time!")
I'm thinking of the many Calvin and Hobbes cartoons where Calvin's father awakes at five AM and says "are you going to waste the whole day?" (A parody at the lark's expense). Perhaps it is entirely because of Bill Watterson that I retain a sense that my culture sees larks the way it sees politicians — targets to make fun of yet furtively envy.
When I was a senior in high school I had enough credit to take a free credit, most people took their last period off, but I was smart and took my 1st period off. It was the best thing that ever happened to me! I ate a good breakfast then rode my bike to to school without any traffic and got to my second period class ready to start the day with everyone else still tired, grumbling, and hungry. It was awesome!
As a person who is both a morning and night person everyday, I have nothing to say about this that hasn't already been said.But I did laugh. You poor guys. xD
Your questions seem to assume that going to sleep is just a matter of deciding to, and having 'willpower'. But sleep is part of a complex cycle; why would an owl go to bed at 10 PM if it just means he tosses and turns for 3 hours and feels like dirt upon waking?
The right question is to ask, why do owls not use melatonin supplements to physiological modify their sleep cycle to be more lark-like? (They already are modifying their sleep cycle by using caffeine, after all.)
I think it's a combination of ignorance and misguided fear of pharmaceuticals. Certainly the numbers check out:http://lesswrong.com/lw/1lt...
I'd also note that it's not as if this were a contentious theory and there aren't decades of studies on teenager sleep cycles & melatonin secretion & scores; I ran across yet another one today on _Science News_.