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Tim Tyler's avatar

IMO, it is unreasonable to expect people to get away from using "ancestor", "descendant" "parent", "child", "sibling", etc. in the context of memetic evolution. Calling cultural evolution "revolutionary rather than evolutionary" seems generally dubious. You can have revolutions in evolution - see "Genetic Takeover" by A. G. Cairns-Smith. In the future, there will likely be a "memetic takeover" - along the lines that Hans Moravec described in "Human Culture: A Genetic Takeover Underway". In that respect, cultural evolution is likely to result in a revolution. It will still be evolution, though. Maybe what Richard Dawkins described as "a new kind of evolution".

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I start with Robin's first sentence, "If competition, variation, and selection long continues, our worlds will become dominated by artificial creatures who take a long view of their future, and who see themselves as directly and abstractly valuing having more distant descendants.", with a simple question, is this a coherent and logical assertion? I would submit that it is not. The if condition of the assertion is underspecified, relative to the then condition. Robin need to fully specify his system before he can make declarations that are causal in nature. There are no reasons to accept the if condition approximates "our worlds" or a semi well specified system. Further, the "long view" need not follow as posited. I am not saying there may be an interesting thought in this posting, but I am a loss to see that as Robin has articulated his mind experiment that there is anything coherent at the present. As Jonas and others are positing how does our standard evolutionary model fail, and how does this idea step beyond it. A suggestion, develop a simulation that can support your mental experiment.

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