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Berder's avatar

> in fact the further evidence that we learn later in life about the different views of other cultures are not typically capable of moving us back to a culturally-neutral position of great uncertainty on moral truths.

You're making the very dubious assumption that a rational person well-informed about morality in different cultures would take a position of great uncertainty. Different historical cultures also have had different views on science, but it is not the case that a rational person well-informed about the cultural history of science would tend towards maximal uncertainty about which science is correct. The fact is, modern science is much closer to the truth than ancient Greek or Aztec understandings of the world, and a rational person would accept that modern science is just mostly right and ancient science was just mostly wrong. It's not rational to be uncertain just because you're exposed to many disagreeing perspectives. It depends on the merit of those perspectives.

Some cultures just have worse morality than others, with e.g. slavery, poverty, political oppression, shortsightedness. Exposure to these cultures just affirms that fact to a rational person.

Highly educated people do tend towards certain moral viewpoints that are different from the general public. This is because those viewpoints are better informed and more consistent and defensible. Not all moral viewpoints are created equal.

Also, you're making an implicit claim that morality is about "power" and "coordination" in a local society, and should be judged by these metrics. That is a very specific and extreme moral position for you to take, which can be used to justify all sorts of atrocities.

You're also implicitly assuming that the degree to which moral reasoning is rational/Bayesian is independent of culture. In fact, some cultures are much more rational, allowing free public dialogue and educating their people in critical thinking, and other cultures are much less rational, relying on accepting the word of authorities and suppressing any dissent. The rational cultures- freethinking subcultures of Western democracies - do have substantial agreement about moral matters, and a general agreement that the repressive cultures are getting it wrong.

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Doesn't this pre-assume a framing of morality where there is a true underlying "what is moral", and people have different beliefs about what that thing is? The alternative is to think of morals as being a subset of people's goals, and see that people who are raised in different environments have different goals.

Perhaps it depends on the meaning of morals "applying well to all times and places":

It could mean that _your behavior_ should follow similar principles across different times and places. For example, if you think people having access to knowledge is universally good, you would support airdropping copies of wikipedia to all countries, even [especially!] those whose governments restrict it, screw what local cultural norms say.

Alternatively it could mean some kind of expectation that all people should have similar moral goals to yourself, and a mentality that people who have different moral goals are broken and need to be re-programmed - the re-programming itself being the goal, and not just getting others to (even if grudgingly) act in ways that align with your own moral goals. This position seems stranger.

But if we take this framing of morals as goals rather than beliefs, Bayesianism doesn't really seem to apply in either case.

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