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Tyrrell_McAllister's avatar

Six years later, I'm pretty sure that my understanding was entirely wrong.

I now think that the argument is this:

As a citizen, you owe some things to the State just in virtue of being a citizen. Call these "some things" your citizen-debt.

In particular (the argument assumes) contributing to the common defense is part of your citizen-debt, because the State as such cannot exist unless the citizens protect "the rights and honor of the nation".

Furthermore, the phrase "involuntary servitude" in the 13th amendment must refer only to labor above and beyond whatever labor is already owed as part of your citizen-debt. Otherwise, the Constitution would deny the State something that it needs to survive, namely the labor that its citizens owe it. Since the Constitution cannot survive without the State, it would follow that the Constitution is denying itself something that it itself needs to survive. That the Constitution would be so self-negating is the contention that the justices call "refuted by its mere statement."

In short, since the draft is just calling in a debt that you owe as a citizen, the draft falls outside of what "involuntary servitude" must be read to mean in the 13th amendment.

Now, insofar as being a citizen is voluntary, you voluntarily owe everything in your citizen-debt. In that case, citizen-debt labor could be voluntary automatically. It may be that the justices would endorse this argument.

But I suspect that the justices would go further. They might deny that the concept of "voluntary" used in the 13th amendment is even relevant to citizen-debt labor In that case, the question of whether being a citizen is voluntary wouldn't enter into the argument.

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Stephen Diamond's avatar

This old posting, "Are you pro-slavery," is stupidly tendentious. Robin abjures looking to definitions, and then he gleans one from wikipedia while omitting the key to the definition in the first sentence of that article: "Slavery is a legal or economic system under which people are treated as property."

If Robin is prepared to defend an institution that reduces humans to chattels, he should do so, rather than resorting to obscurantist games with an Orwellian twist.

The 13th amendment allows involuntary servitude under very limited circumstances (and scotus cheated with conscription). But there is no question that slavery—property in human beings—has been abolished.

What kind of special pleading sometimes drives Robin to such utter rubbish?

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