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Ted Colt's avatar

tl;dr: if you're discussing human extinction, TK's written opinions aren't relevant. he's only concerned with civilization collapse for the purpose of preserving humanity.---I'm re-reading what you've written and I believe there may be a straw-man element to your argument.

I don't think TK has ever argued that humanity will face an extinction event - or to be precise, that we are capable of avoiding massive-scale events such as an unanticipated large object impact with the Earth. What TK discussed was the dangers inherent in civilization that could mold humanity into something we do not recognize as human. To that end, I would venture that his goal is a reduction of the population on the order of 4 to 6 orders of magnitude, which I he seems to think would collapse civilization as we know it, while preserving humanity as we know it.

Without the context "TK wants to wreck civilization to save humanity" included in any interpretation of his writing, discussions can blindly lead to strange conclusions and extrapolations regarding his opinions. For instance, in quoting his contemplation of the Fermi Paradox, I don't believe TK concludes that all life int he galaxy has died due to a system-wide collapse we can yet contemplate, but due to some as-yet unforeseen consequence of the evolution of life in concert with the kinds of civilization systems he opposed.

His thesis is not that tech kills man, per se, but that tech makes man something different, which is then more fragile and subject to extinction - but in the definition sense of humanity-as-we-know-it, man is long gone by the time the final extinction event occurs.

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Robin Hanson's avatar

I am talking about human extinction. An economic collapse would be bad for those who suffered it, but humanity would continue and revive soon on a cosmological timescale.

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