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Andy G's avatar

“Drinking-age laws aren’t designed to prevent teenagers from drinking (and thus the fact that they don’t work is immaterial); they’re designed as a fuck-you from the voting-age demographic to those younger than they, rubbing their noses in it just in case the kids start getting ideas.”

Sorry, this is either too clever by half, or just wrong.

Drinking age laws - specifically, raising the drinking age above 18 - are because voters in most states are unwilling to enact stronger criminal penalties against drunk drivers, especially first and second time offense drunk drivers.

Lacking such stronger penalties, more drunk driving occurs (incentives matter) and history and the data show that younger drivers are far more likely to drive drunk and cause injuries and deaths in so doing.

And so MADD was successful at getting the drinking age raised everywhere (via Fed highway funding rules), which was better than nothing at reducing drunk driving deaths, even though they were mostly unsuccessful at getting stronger criminal penalties against first and second time offenders.

Which would obviate the COVID-lockdown equivalent policy of telling all 18-21 year old adults they are not allowed to drink legally.

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"Human foragers had strong social norms against explicit dominance, bragging, or sub-coalitions, at least between families. Leaders could not give orders or act superior, and were expected to focus on the good of the group."

Do you have actual evidence of this? It sounds not only like you made it up, but that it is exteremely unlikely to be true. Foraging communities still likely had elders, shaman, chiefs, etc, and it seems likely these people had some perks for their leadership, and must have given orders. Indeed, any kind of large-game hunting requires someone to give orders, and is likely to lead to unequal status-based distribution of goods. Unless we have knowledge of pre-history that contradicts this...

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