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Daniel Reeves's avatar

We use futarchy (we call it prognootling) for family decisions sometimes. I gave examples in my talk at Manifest which will supposedly be on YouTube soon.

On a more theoretical note, I've been mulling this thoughtful warning about limits on the application of decision markets: https://dynomight.net/prediction-market-causation/

It points out how a conditional market like "If we take action A, will outcome B happen?" might tell you there's a strong _correlation_ between A and B without telling you that A will cause B. For example, maybe a conditional market says that revenue will nosedive if we fire the CEO. Does that mean we shouldn't fire the CEO? Not necessarily! If we did fire the CEO then probably we're in a universe where the company is imploding. The causation could run the opposite way.

I know you've thought about that issue -- how much it matters and how to mitigate it -- but it would be great to see your direct response to Dynomight.

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distbit's avatar

https://distbit.xyz/correlation-vs-causation-in-futarchy/

key takeaway:

"In futarchy markets, new information asymmetrically affects bet values. Negative information can nullify the value of “bad outcome” shares by canceling the proposed action, while positive information increases the value of “good outcome” shares without limit. This asymmetry favors “good outcome” shares, skewing futarchy forecasts. This effect is akin to “convexity” in the context of options.

The magnitude of this effect is a function of the amount of new information expected to come to light before the decision deadline. As a result, an attacker could exploit this to increase the value of “good outcome” shares for their desired action, by selecting an action with outsized uncertainty/expected volatility. One naive way of achieving this is to announce that important information relating to the proposal will be announced at some time over the course of the futarchy market."

Spreadsheet with relevant example: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TNM85DoQqOvlQFZJQ20yEaK6QsS33ZIo3fcyws5X124/edit

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