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		<title>By: Healthcare Holy War &#171; feed on my links</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/05/puzzling-paternalism.html#comment-473832</link>
		<dc:creator>Healthcare Holy War &#171; feed on my links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Medicine have appointment calendars stretching off into infinity. They have the POWER to bestow HEALTHCARE upon worthy or unworthy as they see [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Medicine have appointment calendars stretching off into infinity. They have the POWER to bestow HEALTHCARE upon worthy or unworthy as they see [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Psychohistorian</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/05/puzzling-paternalism.html#comment-447537</link>
		<dc:creator>Psychohistorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Human foragers had strong social norms against explicit dominance, bragging, or sub-coalitions, at least between families. Leaders could not give orders or act superior, and were expected to focus on the good of the group.&quot;

Do you have actual evidence of this? It sounds not only like you made it up, but that it is exteremely unlikely to be true. Foraging communities still likely had elders, shaman, chiefs, etc, and it seems likely these people had some perks for their leadership, and must have given orders. Indeed, any kind of large-game hunting requires someone to give orders, and is likely to lead to unequal status-based distribution of goods. Unless we have knowledge of pre-history that contradicts this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Human foragers had strong social norms against explicit dominance, bragging, or sub-coalitions, at least between families. Leaders could not give orders or act superior, and were expected to focus on the good of the group.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have actual evidence of this? It sounds not only like you made it up, but that it is exteremely unlikely to be true. Foraging communities still likely had elders, shaman, chiefs, etc, and it seems likely these people had some perks for their leadership, and must have given orders. Indeed, any kind of large-game hunting requires someone to give orders, and is likely to lead to unequal status-based distribution of goods. Unless we have knowledge of pre-history that contradicts this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Silas Barta</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/05/puzzling-paternalism.html#comment-447522</link>
		<dc:creator>Silas Barta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 03:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In colonial United States, England usually appointed english-born people to rule. ... The whole “need to be born in the US to run for president” thing was not an afterthought.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right, except that the framers&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;exempted&lt;/a&gt; anyone born before the adoption of the Constitution, thus allowing foreign-born Englishmen currently alive.

&lt;blockquote&gt;No person except a natural born Citizen, &lt;strong&gt;or a Citizen&lt;/strong&gt; of the United States, &lt;strong&gt;at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In colonial United States, England usually appointed english-born people to rule. &#8230; The whole “need to be born in the US to run for president” thing was not an afterthought.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right, except that the framers<a href="http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1" rel="nofollow">exempted</a> anyone born before the adoption of the Constitution, thus allowing foreign-born Englishmen currently alive.</p>
<blockquote><p>No person except a natural born Citizen, <strong>or a Citizen</strong> of the United States, <strong>at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution</strong></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Steve Witham</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/05/puzzling-paternalism.html#comment-447519</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Witham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 00:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice related article: Frank Furedi, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frankfuredi.com/index.php/site/article/325/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Specialist pleading&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Commentators interpret the declining influence of traditional authority and institutions as proof that people have become less deferential and possess more critical attitudes than in the past. However, it is less frequently noted that deference to traditional authority has given way to the reverence of expertise. ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice related article: Frank Furedi, &#8220;<a href="http://www.frankfuredi.com/index.php/site/article/325/" rel="nofollow">Specialist pleading</a>.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>Commentators interpret the declining influence of traditional authority and institutions as proof that people have become less deferential and possess more critical attitudes than in the past. However, it is less frequently noted that deference to traditional authority has given way to the reverence of expertise. &#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: bluntobject</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/05/puzzling-paternalism.html#comment-447498</link>
		<dc:creator>bluntobject</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 01:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very kindly for the link!  Not only did you send me a fair bit of traffic, but I think you also gave me my first comment troll.  What fun!

(Could you pass on a citation for the empirics you mentioned, comparing the children of 18yo mothers to 35+yo mothers?  I don&#039;t particularly doubt you, but it&#039;s the sort of thing that&#039;s counterintuitive enough to demand a reference.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very kindly for the link!  Not only did you send me a fair bit of traffic, but I think you also gave me my first comment troll.  What fun!</p>
<p>(Could you pass on a citation for the empirics you mentioned, comparing the children of 18yo mothers to 35+yo mothers?  I don&#8217;t particularly doubt you, but it&#8217;s the sort of thing that&#8217;s counterintuitive enough to demand a reference.)</p>
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		<title>By: Abelard Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/05/puzzling-paternalism.html#comment-447494</link>
		<dc:creator>Abelard Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 22:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This explanation of licensing makes it clear that it is nothing more than a form of rent-seeking parasitism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This explanation of licensing makes it clear that it is nothing more than a form of rent-seeking parasitism.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/05/puzzling-paternalism.html#comment-447493</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 22:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to beg the question: If X% of elites actually act altruistically according to some code, could society&#039;s belief in this code be worth the costs of deception?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to beg the question: If X% of elites actually act altruistically according to some code, could society&#8217;s belief in this code be worth the costs of deception?</p>
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		<title>By: Philo</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/05/puzzling-paternalism.html#comment-447489</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 22:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.  I&#039;ll just read you as habitually overstating your point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.  I&#8217;ll just read you as habitually overstating your point.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/05/puzzling-paternalism.html#comment-447486</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 20:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we wanted to protect teens from harming themselves with alcohol, we&#039;d allow them to drink under the supervision of their parents or other adults. Currently they go off and do it on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we wanted to protect teens from harming themselves with alcohol, we&#8217;d allow them to drink under the supervision of their parents or other adults. Currently they go off and do it on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/05/puzzling-paternalism.html#comment-447485</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 20:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that ban can plausibly be seen as dissing faculty who have sex with students, relative to other faculty, and dissing students who have sex with faculty, relative to other students.  In our culture a majority would give lip service to the idea that such people should have lowered status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that ban can plausibly be seen as dissing faculty who have sex with students, relative to other faculty, and dissing students who have sex with faculty, relative to other students.  In our culture a majority would give lip service to the idea that such people should have lowered status.</p>
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