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	<title>Comments on: Near Is Selfish</title>
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		<title>By: Amaroq</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/03/near-is-selfish.html#comment-443785</link>
		<dc:creator>Amaroq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 03:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe it wasn&#039;t some biological element, and was instead the philosophy implicitly held by a bunch of people who were all raised in an altruistic society.

The decision to help save others isn&#039;t necessarily a selfish one either. There are selfish justifications to help strangers in an emergency. All strangers are potentially valuable to you, due to the nature of humans and what they&#039;re capable of. Whether the action was selfish or selfless depends on how much risk you put yourself in, and how important the people were to you that you were saving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe it wasn&#8217;t some biological element, and was instead the philosophy implicitly held by a bunch of people who were all raised in an altruistic society.</p>
<p>The decision to help save others isn&#8217;t necessarily a selfish one either. There are selfish justifications to help strangers in an emergency. All strangers are potentially valuable to you, due to the nature of humans and what they&#8217;re capable of. Whether the action was selfish or selfless depends on how much risk you put yourself in, and how important the people were to you that you were saving.</p>
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		<title>By: Bram</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/03/near-is-selfish.html#comment-443765</link>
		<dc:creator>Bram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if location was another factor.

Given the Titantic&#039;s location - far out in the Atlantic in icy water - men would have recognized the futility of jumping overboard. 

The Lusitania, on the other hand, went down in May only 8 miles from Ireland.  Under these conditions, I would take my chances in the water and put some distance between myself and ship before it went down in the hope of swimming to land or getting pulled out of the water by the locals.  Swimming for shore is a strategy that would certainly favor strong young men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if location was another factor.</p>
<p>Given the Titantic&#8217;s location &#8211; far out in the Atlantic in icy water &#8211; men would have recognized the futility of jumping overboard. </p>
<p>The Lusitania, on the other hand, went down in May only 8 miles from Ireland.  Under these conditions, I would take my chances in the water and put some distance between myself and ship before it went down in the hope of swimming to land or getting pulled out of the water by the locals.  Swimming for shore is a strategy that would certainly favor strong young men.</p>
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		<title>By: Titanic vs. Lustania - Maggie's Farm</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/03/near-is-selfish.html#comment-443758</link>
		<dc:creator>Titanic vs. Lustania - Maggie's Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] vs. Lustania     It&#039;s about survival   Posted by The Barrister in The Culture, &quot;Culture,&quot; Pop Culture and Recreation at 10:59 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] vs. Lustania     It&#39;s about survival   Posted by The Barrister in The Culture, &quot;Culture,&quot; Pop Culture and Recreation at 10:59 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LemmusLemmus</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/03/near-is-selfish.html#comment-443714</link>
		<dc:creator>LemmusLemmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric Falkenstein</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/03/near-is-selfish.html#comment-443709</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Falkenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One should note that on the Titanic, where first class men had higher survivor rates than third class men, it was still less than any group of women or children.  One would think, seeing the movie, that class explained most of the survivorship, but instead it was gender and age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One should note that on the Titanic, where first class men had higher survivor rates than third class men, it was still less than any group of women or children.  One would think, seeing the movie, that class explained most of the survivorship, but instead it was gender and age.</p>
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		<title>By: Buck Farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buck Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be that they are rational utilitarian maximizers that value every human life but value the lives of women and children more...

...the time difference just shifted the budget constraint so that high total utility could be achieved by saving as many as could arrive on time (selecting for athleticism) versus saving those that are preferred (which requires time-costly sorting).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be that they are rational utilitarian maximizers that value every human life but value the lives of women and children more&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;the time difference just shifted the budget constraint so that high total utility could be achieved by saving as many as could arrive on time (selecting for athleticism) versus saving those that are preferred (which requires time-costly sorting).</p>
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		<title>By: Buck Farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/03/near-is-selfish.html#comment-443707</link>
		<dc:creator>Buck Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If there’s enough time, you can switch from adrenalin-driven self-preservation to conscience-driven self-sacrifice.&quot;

How about a third choice, conscience-driven self-preservation?

For instance, if I&#039;m a single mother who&#039;s raising three children by herself (and I&#039;m on the ship while my kids are at home), I might save myself, not because of adrenalin-driven self-preservation, but because of conscience-driven self- (and family-) preservation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If there’s enough time, you can switch from adrenalin-driven self-preservation to conscience-driven self-sacrifice.&#8221;</p>
<p>How about a third choice, conscience-driven self-preservation?</p>
<p>For instance, if I&#8217;m a single mother who&#8217;s raising three children by herself (and I&#8217;m on the ship while my kids are at home), I might save myself, not because of adrenalin-driven self-preservation, but because of conscience-driven self- (and family-) preservation.</p>
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		<title>By: Nanonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe there is no deep psychological mystery here. Lots of survivors from Lusitania were pulled out of the water or were in the water before they managed to get into boats. I think these circumstances favour men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe there is no deep psychological mystery here. Lots of survivors from Lusitania were pulled out of the water or were in the water before they managed to get into boats. I think these circumstances favour men.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyrrell McAllister</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/03/near-is-selfish.html#comment-443688</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyrrell McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not an alternative to Robin&#039;s explanation. Robin is purporting to give a deeper explanation--one that acounts for *why* people felt that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not an alternative to Robin&#8217;s explanation. Robin is purporting to give a deeper explanation&#8211;one that acounts for *why* people felt that way.</p>
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