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		<title>By: TruePath</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/distinguishing-defense.html#comment-442593</link>
		<dc:creator>TruePath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a host of reasons making an explicit distinction of this sort would be an awful idea.

First the very fact that you distinguished offensive and defensive military activity carries the strong implicature that you think it&#039;s important to draw such a distinction.  The message this sends to everyone in the offensive part of the military is that what they are doing isn&#039;t honorable, moral and worthy of respect by society but something shameful that needs to be swept under the rug.  Remember a huge part of the reason we (our other modern democratic state) can deploy the military as cheaply as it does is because of an implicit societal contract to reimburse soldiers with favorable social status/gratitude.

Also the last thing the military needs is these extra distinctions tripping it up while in the midst of a conflict.  You don&#039;t want a contractor who is best able to serve a given need unable to do so because of this kind of lack of flexibility.  Besides, even during a war of choice like the Iraq war if the public felt that soldiers were dying because some &quot;defensive&quot; employees were refusing to help on the offensive products the backlash would quickly erase the distinction.

Most importantly though because the distinction doesn&#039;t make sense.  Hell, I don&#039;t think the distinction between civilian (whose economic output helps drive the war effort for a modern nation state) and a civilian who got drafted into the military is a sensible one to make much less this distinction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a host of reasons making an explicit distinction of this sort would be an awful idea.</p>
<p>First the very fact that you distinguished offensive and defensive military activity carries the strong implicature that you think it&#8217;s important to draw such a distinction.  The message this sends to everyone in the offensive part of the military is that what they are doing isn&#8217;t honorable, moral and worthy of respect by society but something shameful that needs to be swept under the rug.  Remember a huge part of the reason we (our other modern democratic state) can deploy the military as cheaply as it does is because of an implicit societal contract to reimburse soldiers with favorable social status/gratitude.</p>
<p>Also the last thing the military needs is these extra distinctions tripping it up while in the midst of a conflict.  You don&#8217;t want a contractor who is best able to serve a given need unable to do so because of this kind of lack of flexibility.  Besides, even during a war of choice like the Iraq war if the public felt that soldiers were dying because some &#8220;defensive&#8221; employees were refusing to help on the offensive products the backlash would quickly erase the distinction.</p>
<p>Most importantly though because the distinction doesn&#8217;t make sense.  Hell, I don&#8217;t think the distinction between civilian (whose economic output helps drive the war effort for a modern nation state) and a civilian who got drafted into the military is a sensible one to make much less this distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/distinguishing-defense.html#comment-442558</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Headline:

&quot;Obama increases Department of Offense Budget 30%&quot;

That&#039;s why.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Obama increases Department of Offense Budget 30%&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Wiblin</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/distinguishing-defense.html#comment-442507</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Wiblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At best you will just make them pay a bit more for the offence employees. Those who have some reservations about being involved in offence will have a price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At best you will just make them pay a bit more for the offence employees. Those who have some reservations about being involved in offence will have a price.</p>
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		<title>By: James A. Donald</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/distinguishing-defense.html#comment-442500</link>
		<dc:creator>James A. Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cannot distinguish defense from offense, because the best defense is to make our enemies afraid.</description>
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		<title>By: bellisaurius</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/distinguishing-defense.html#comment-442488</link>
		<dc:creator>bellisaurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could derive a benefit by claiming to be more &quot;offensive&quot; or &quot;defensive&quot; with different groups? I can recognize a certain bragging right to claim some portion of service was &quot;braver&quot; than others (I usually talk up being around radiation, for example), but I&#039;ve never seen an offensive/defensive split. 

As far as the contractors are concerned, inasmuch as they&#039;re technical folk, some projects are sexier than others, but these already have signalling advantages with coworkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could derive a benefit by claiming to be more &#8220;offensive&#8221; or &#8220;defensive&#8221; with different groups? I can recognize a certain bragging right to claim some portion of service was &#8220;braver&#8221; than others (I usually talk up being around radiation, for example), but I&#8217;ve never seen an offensive/defensive split. </p>
<p>As far as the contractors are concerned, inasmuch as they&#8217;re technical folk, some projects are sexier than others, but these already have signalling advantages with coworkers.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Oblivious</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/distinguishing-defense.html#comment-442484</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Oblivious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up to a point, perhaps - but only up to a point: let&#039;s say that the military needs 50% offense and 50% defense. If fewer than 50% of the suppliers are opposed to working for the offense portion, then there&#039;s little point in making a fuss - as you point out, a little reshuffling and you&#039;re back where you started. But if more than 50% of the suppliers refuse to work for the offense portion, then no amount of reshuffling can resolve the imbalance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up to a point, perhaps &#8211; but only up to a point: let&#8217;s say that the military needs 50% offense and 50% defense. If fewer than 50% of the suppliers are opposed to working for the offense portion, then there&#8217;s little point in making a fuss &#8211; as you point out, a little reshuffling and you&#8217;re back where you started. But if more than 50% of the suppliers refuse to work for the offense portion, then no amount of reshuffling can resolve the imbalance.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Oblivious</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/distinguishing-defense.html#comment-442483</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Oblivious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why don’t more parts of the military, and more military contractors, officially distinguish themselves as more emphasizing defense over offense? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The very fact that essentially all military contractors are called &quot;Defense Contractors&quot; (as opposed to &quot;Offense Contractors&quot; or &quot;War Contractors&quot;) seems to imply that a lot of people do try to make that distinction. It makes them seem more essential, and less dangerous, to have around.

Now obviously a large fraction of &quot;Defense Contractors&quot; &lt;em&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; really about defense at all, but that&#039;s another topic entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why don’t more parts of the military, and more military contractors, officially distinguish themselves as more emphasizing defense over offense?
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<p>The very fact that essentially all military contractors are called &#8220;Defense Contractors&#8221; (as opposed to &#8220;Offense Contractors&#8221; or &#8220;War Contractors&#8221;) seems to imply that a lot of people do try to make that distinction. It makes them seem more essential, and less dangerous, to have around.</p>
<p>Now obviously a large fraction of &#8220;Defense Contractors&#8221; <em>aren&#8217;t</em> really about defense at all, but that&#8217;s another topic entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Recomendaciones &#171; intelib</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/distinguishing-defense.html#comment-442480</link>
		<dc:creator>Recomendaciones &#171; intelib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Distinguishing Defense, by Robin [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/distinguishing-defense.html#comment-442479</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a defense contractor, and while I have a desire to be primarily on the defensive side of things, technology tends not to distinguish between defense and offense.

The problem you solve is fundamentally &quot;see and shoot&quot;. If you are on defense, you see someone coming at you and shoot. If you are on offense, you see if you can find someone to shoot.

Anything you build to see can help you shoot, and anything you build to shoot needs to see. There&#039;s really no simple way to separate offense and defense for contractors..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a defense contractor, and while I have a desire to be primarily on the defensive side of things, technology tends not to distinguish between defense and offense.</p>
<p>The problem you solve is fundamentally &#8220;see and shoot&#8221;. If you are on defense, you see someone coming at you and shoot. If you are on offense, you see if you can find someone to shoot.</p>
<p>Anything you build to see can help you shoot, and anything you build to shoot needs to see. There&#8217;s really no simple way to separate offense and defense for contractors..</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/distinguishing-defense.html#comment-442460</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government doesn&#039;t want to admit that very little of the DoD&#039;s job is actually about &quot;defense&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government doesn&#8217;t want to admit that very little of the DoD&#8217;s job is actually about &#8220;defense&#8221;.</p>
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