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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/privacy-is-far.html#comment-437969</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You think you&#039;re confused now... here

&quot;There has been an unholy alliance between those on the Left, who believe that man is endowed with rights but no duties, and libertarians on the Right, who believe that consumer choice is the answer to all social questions, an idea eagerly adopted by the Left in precisely those areas where it does not apply. Thus people have a right to bring forth children any way they like, and the children, of course, have the right not to be deprived of anything, at least anything material. How men and women associate and have children is merely a matter of consumer choice, of no more moral consequence than the choice between dark and milk chocolate, and the state must not discriminate among different forms of association and child rearing, even if such non-discrimination has the same effect as British and French neutrality during the Spanish Civil War.&quot; Theodore Dalrymple

I don&#039;t agree with everything Roger Scruton has to say on the matter but I think he has some very important points. He believes people, generally (and that&#039;s crucial) need continuity to form identity, embedded in community, customs, tradition (not absolute and inmpervious to change) Edmund Burke, he&#039;s your man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think you&#8217;re confused now&#8230; here</p>
<p>&#8220;There has been an unholy alliance between those on the Left, who believe that man is endowed with rights but no duties, and libertarians on the Right, who believe that consumer choice is the answer to all social questions, an idea eagerly adopted by the Left in precisely those areas where it does not apply. Thus people have a right to bring forth children any way they like, and the children, of course, have the right not to be deprived of anything, at least anything material. How men and women associate and have children is merely a matter of consumer choice, of no more moral consequence than the choice between dark and milk chocolate, and the state must not discriminate among different forms of association and child rearing, even if such non-discrimination has the same effect as British and French neutrality during the Spanish Civil War.&#8221; Theodore Dalrymple</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with everything Roger Scruton has to say on the matter but I think he has some very important points. He believes people, generally (and that&#8217;s crucial) need continuity to form identity, embedded in community, customs, tradition (not absolute and inmpervious to change) Edmund Burke, he&#8217;s your man.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/privacy-is-far.html#comment-437950</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Intercept Modernisation Programme was widely reported as being canceled back in November sometime:

&quot;Plans to store information about every phone call, email and internet visit in the United Kingdom have in effect been abandoned by the Government.&quot;

 - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/big-brother-database-cancelled-by-ministers-1817708.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Intercept Modernisation Programme was widely reported as being canceled back in November sometime:</p>
<p>&#8220;Plans to store information about every phone call, email and internet visit in the United Kingdom have in effect been abandoned by the Government.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8211; <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/big-brother-database-cancelled-by-ministers-1817708.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/big-brother-database-cancelled-by-ministers-1817708.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Constant</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/privacy-is-far.html#comment-437894</link>
		<dc:creator>Constant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nutshell: Conservatives think the best solution to violence is punishment after the fact (as an example to others, as a disincentive). Liberals think the best solution to crime is pre-emptive action (confiscating guns, making potential criminals happy and peace-loving).

Detail: Conservatives tend to think that government has insufficient power to deal with actual criminals: robbers, rapists, murderers, terrorists. This isn&#039;t really about government power. Conservatives also tend to think that individual people have insufficient power to deal with actual criminals. They are horrified by tales (often from England) of honest citizens being severely punished for defending their homes, when what they deserve is a medal and a parade.

Since they distrust government, they are presumably not unaware that handing over more power to government to deal with criminals can backfire, but it&#039;s an imperfect world. The point is, sure, government is a problem. But criminals are also a problem. And the main responsibility of government is, after all, to keep the peace.

Anti-gun liberals are similarly concerned with keeping the peace, but they have a different idea of how best to go about it. They believe in preventing violence not by the disincentive of the prospect of being captured and punished, but by preventing people from having either the capacity to do it (in the form of weapons) or the initial incentive to commit a crime in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nutshell: Conservatives think the best solution to violence is punishment after the fact (as an example to others, as a disincentive). Liberals think the best solution to crime is pre-emptive action (confiscating guns, making potential criminals happy and peace-loving).</p>
<p>Detail: Conservatives tend to think that government has insufficient power to deal with actual criminals: robbers, rapists, murderers, terrorists. This isn&#8217;t really about government power. Conservatives also tend to think that individual people have insufficient power to deal with actual criminals. They are horrified by tales (often from England) of honest citizens being severely punished for defending their homes, when what they deserve is a medal and a parade.</p>
<p>Since they distrust government, they are presumably not unaware that handing over more power to government to deal with criminals can backfire, but it&#8217;s an imperfect world. The point is, sure, government is a problem. But criminals are also a problem. And the main responsibility of government is, after all, to keep the peace.</p>
<p>Anti-gun liberals are similarly concerned with keeping the peace, but they have a different idea of how best to go about it. They believe in preventing violence not by the disincentive of the prospect of being captured and punished, but by preventing people from having either the capacity to do it (in the form of weapons) or the initial incentive to commit a crime in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Goetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Goetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m perplexed by liberal vs. conservative attitudes about privacy.  Conservatives mind less if the government spies on them; they often say, &quot;You don&#039;t need to worry if you&#039;re not doing anything wrong.&quot;  Yet they don&#039;t trust the government any more, as demonstrated by their invectives against big government, and their stance on gun control.  Liberals don&#039;t want the government to spy on them, but don&#039;t mind if the government takes away their guns.  I can&#039;t make any sense of either attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m perplexed by liberal vs. conservative attitudes about privacy.  Conservatives mind less if the government spies on them; they often say, &#8220;You don&#8217;t need to worry if you&#8217;re not doing anything wrong.&#8221;  Yet they don&#8217;t trust the government any more, as demonstrated by their invectives against big government, and their stance on gun control.  Liberals don&#8217;t want the government to spy on them, but don&#8217;t mind if the government takes away their guns.  I can&#8217;t make any sense of either attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s not like being more than annoyed would be very useful. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30624&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Outrage fatigue&lt;/a&gt;, and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s not like being more than annoyed would be very useful. <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30624" rel="nofollow">Outrage fatigue</a>, and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silliker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silliker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting indeed, when you consider that the total UK debt amounts to $150,000.00 per person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting indeed, when you consider that the total UK debt amounts to $150,000.00 per person.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/privacy-is-far.html#comment-437476</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quantative Easing is an attempt to keep some sort of continuity to an extremely flawed system. When the trick fails, the music stops, those in power will be consolidating whatever power they can whatever way they can... world wide WEB. Nevermind the invisible hand, what about the invisible spider? We&#039;ve been bitten and everything is dissolving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quantative Easing is an attempt to keep some sort of continuity to an extremely flawed system. When the trick fails, the music stops, those in power will be consolidating whatever power they can whatever way they can&#8230; world wide WEB. Nevermind the invisible hand, what about the invisible spider? We&#8217;ve been bitten and everything is dissolving.</p>
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		<title>By: 2999</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/privacy-is-far.html#comment-437474</link>
		<dc:creator>2999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Privacy is certainly far. That&#039;s why we need professional privacy defenders, like the Electronic Frontier Foundation and others like them. 

The people and organizations that have high stakes in the issue of privacy pay them to make privacy concerns &quot;near&quot;, and they hopefully work on the issues proactively, so we don&#039;t have to. 

I&#039;m not certain how well it works, but I think it&#039;s our best shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Privacy is certainly far. That&#8217;s why we need professional privacy defenders, like the Electronic Frontier Foundation and others like them. </p>
<p>The people and organizations that have high stakes in the issue of privacy pay them to make privacy concerns &#8220;near&#8221;, and they hopefully work on the issues proactively, so we don&#8217;t have to. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not certain how well it works, but I think it&#8217;s our best shot.</p>
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		<title>By: CannibalSmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>CannibalSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just annoyed!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just annoyed!?</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by apanizza: Robin Hanson on privacy or the lack of it ( in the UK now) http://bit.ly/629ufA...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by apanizza: Robin Hanson on privacy or the lack of it ( in the UK now) <a href="http://bit.ly/629ufA.." rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/629ufA..</a>.</p>
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