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	<description>Overcoming Bias is economist Robin Hanson’s blog, on honesty, signaling, disagreement, forecasting, and the far future.</description>
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		<title>By: Department of things you already knew : The Uncredible Hallq</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/naked-promiscuity.html#comment-439009</link>
		<dc:creator>Department of things you already knew : The Uncredible Hallq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hanson reports on the results of a study supposedly showing that &#8220;It seems men are eager to visibly help heroically and financially, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blunt</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/naked-promiscuity.html#comment-438729</link>
		<dc:creator>Blunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin, you would do well to avoid even the appearance of suggesting that a man&#039;s &#039;help&#039; can/should be traded for sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin, you would do well to avoid even the appearance of suggesting that a man&#8217;s &#8216;help&#8217; can/should be traded for sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug S.</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/naked-promiscuity.html#comment-438724</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares about fast cars these days? Fast microprocessors are where it&#039;s at! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares about fast cars these days? Fast microprocessors are where it&#8217;s at! <img src='http://www.overcomingbias.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Philo</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/naked-promiscuity.html#comment-438721</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unconscious desire,&quot; &quot;unconscious intention,&quot; etc. are slippery notions, and it seems to me that Robin is abusing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unconscious desire,&#8221; &#8220;unconscious intention,&#8221; etc. are slippery notions, and it seems to me that Robin is abusing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/naked-promiscuity.html#comment-438716</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also add that extracting from this lab experiment to the behavior of a married person is a bit much.

It may apply to unmarrried, but to married:  don&#039;t forget the wife has a say on what is spent and what is not, so there may be some interference in the signalling.

And, what is there that a married guy can buy to attract the opposite sex??  A toupe?  If he buys a hot car, his wife might use it, signalling her intentions and that she is hot.

Sometimes lab experiments are confined to the circumstances and cannot be stretched too far into other contexts.

But, I suddenly have this urge to buy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also add that extracting from this lab experiment to the behavior of a married person is a bit much.</p>
<p>It may apply to unmarrried, but to married:  don&#8217;t forget the wife has a say on what is spent and what is not, so there may be some interference in the signalling.</p>
<p>And, what is there that a married guy can buy to attract the opposite sex??  A toupe?  If he buys a hot car, his wife might use it, signalling her intentions and that she is hot.</p>
<p>Sometimes lab experiments are confined to the circumstances and cannot be stretched too far into other contexts.</p>
<p>But, I suddenly have this urge to buy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Violet</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/naked-promiscuity.html#comment-438710</link>
		<dc:creator>Violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the pair has agreed to a monogamous relationship, then consciously trying to attract short term sex with others is trying to break that contract. Doing things that merely correlate with it does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the pair has agreed to a monogamous relationship, then consciously trying to attract short term sex with others is trying to break that contract. Doing things that merely correlate with it does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/naked-promiscuity.html#comment-438702</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also stuff on ovulation and purchasing.

But, I would be careful about lab experiments, and also careful about simply attracting the opposite sex and seeking more stable relationships, such marriage, which, obviously, was not a part of the experiment.

So, if the otherside of the match--the female--is seeking a committed relationship, she might take the signal of ostentatious spending as signalling this is a person with a one night stand in mind (how many people do you know who have fancy bachelor pads designed to entice the chics) v. the guy who is attentive, not fancy, and looks like a family man.

Don&#039;t forget--this is a two sided game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also stuff on ovulation and purchasing.</p>
<p>But, I would be careful about lab experiments, and also careful about simply attracting the opposite sex and seeking more stable relationships, such marriage, which, obviously, was not a part of the experiment.</p>
<p>So, if the otherside of the match&#8211;the female&#8211;is seeking a committed relationship, she might take the signal of ostentatious spending as signalling this is a person with a one night stand in mind (how many people do you know who have fancy bachelor pads designed to entice the chics) v. the guy who is attentive, not fancy, and looks like a family man.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget&#8211;this is a two sided game.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/naked-promiscuity.html#comment-438686</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is that it is the conspicuousness itself that matters.

For example, making a pass at another woman in front of your wife, implies that you don&#039;t care that your wife knows and suggests that this other women might mean more to you emotionally. From an evolutionary standpoint this suggests that you might want to invest more in her children than you wifes.

If on the other hand the attraction seeking behavior is secret, this implies that attention of these women is secondary to your wifes. It shouldn&#039;t matter much were you throw your seed, so long as all of your material and emotional investment stays with her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that it is the conspicuousness itself that matters.</p>
<p>For example, making a pass at another woman in front of your wife, implies that you don&#8217;t care that your wife knows and suggests that this other women might mean more to you emotionally. From an evolutionary standpoint this suggests that you might want to invest more in her children than you wifes.</p>
<p>If on the other hand the attraction seeking behavior is secret, this implies that attention of these women is secondary to your wifes. It shouldn&#8217;t matter much were you throw your seed, so long as all of your material and emotional investment stays with her.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Riedel</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/naked-promiscuity.html#comment-438685</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Riedel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this issue is again confused by different senses of &quot;Person A does action X to achieve Y&quot; used by you, Robin.  If a man buys fancy things unconsciously to attract women, most people would not describe this as &quot;the man is trying to attract women&quot; *even though* it can be shown that his desire for fancy things goes down when there are no women around to impress.  So even if his wife knew this (and was sane) it wouldn&#039;t bother her terribly.  Yes, once both she and he knew that his buying of fancy things was correlated with the presence of other women she might expect him to take corrective action.  What would really bother her, though, is a *conscious* desire to attract other women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this issue is again confused by different senses of &#8220;Person A does action X to achieve Y&#8221; used by you, Robin.  If a man buys fancy things unconsciously to attract women, most people would not describe this as &#8220;the man is trying to attract women&#8221; *even though* it can be shown that his desire for fancy things goes down when there are no women around to impress.  So even if his wife knew this (and was sane) it wouldn&#8217;t bother her terribly.  Yes, once both she and he knew that his buying of fancy things was correlated with the presence of other women she might expect him to take corrective action.  What would really bother her, though, is a *conscious* desire to attract other women.</p>
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		<title>By: blink</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/naked-promiscuity.html#comment-438684</link>
		<dc:creator>blink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not see the support for &quot;mainly&quot;; the evidence here is that mating primes increase certain behaviors, not that those behaviors are always or even mostly driven by sexual motives.  Perhaps this is the case, but we need to distinguish more general status-seeking, something women presumably encourage, and sexual advances, which they seem to discourage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not see the support for &#8220;mainly&#8221;; the evidence here is that mating primes increase certain behaviors, not that those behaviors are always or even mostly driven by sexual motives.  Perhaps this is the case, but we need to distinguish more general status-seeking, something women presumably encourage, and sexual advances, which they seem to discourage.</p>
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