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		<title>By: Linkage is Good for You: We&#8217;re All Going to Die Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linkage is Good for You: We&#8217;re All Going to Die Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 01:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hanson &#8211; &#8220;Status Honesty&#8220;, &#8220;Doubling Down on U.S. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/hiding-status-grubbing.html#comment-444255</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-03/uom-uom031510.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Going Green to Be Seen: Status, Reputation, and Conspicuous Conservation&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-03/uom-uom031510.php" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Going Green to Be Seen: Status, Reputation, and Conspicuous Conservation&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/hiding-status-grubbing.html#comment-440312</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having spent time with people making in the neighborhood of a dollar a day, even someone as insensitive as myself can find plenty of motivations for effective charity that are much stronger than status-seeking.

In fact, I see the status-seeking aspects of charity as mostly negative.  When I&#039;m in poor countries, I hate it when people suck up to me because I&#039;m a potential meal ticket.  This has the feel of being chatted up by someone of the wrong sexual orientation; you can tell the other person is very interested in the conversation, but personally it&#039;s hard not to be bored.  In rich countries, most of my friends haven&#039;t traveled much to poor countries and don&#039;t share my perspective.  While I&#039;d like to be able to influence their donations, I don&#039;t want to come across as arrogant, and don&#039;t want to belittle their charities, even if I find them ineffectual.  e.g. if someone&#039;s parent has died of cancer, I&#039;d rather not explain to them why I prefer MSF to the American Cancer Society.  Or if someone has credit card debt and doesn&#039;t donate much, I don&#039;t want to embarrass them about this.

Ok, so my donations fit my self-image as a partially moral person, but c&#039;mon: my jogging helps fit my self-image as a healthy person.  My givewell-style charitable donations are one of the least status-seeking things I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having spent time with people making in the neighborhood of a dollar a day, even someone as insensitive as myself can find plenty of motivations for effective charity that are much stronger than status-seeking.</p>
<p>In fact, I see the status-seeking aspects of charity as mostly negative.  When I&#8217;m in poor countries, I hate it when people suck up to me because I&#8217;m a potential meal ticket.  This has the feel of being chatted up by someone of the wrong sexual orientation; you can tell the other person is very interested in the conversation, but personally it&#8217;s hard not to be bored.  In rich countries, most of my friends haven&#8217;t traveled much to poor countries and don&#8217;t share my perspective.  While I&#8217;d like to be able to influence their donations, I don&#8217;t want to come across as arrogant, and don&#8217;t want to belittle their charities, even if I find them ineffectual.  e.g. if someone&#8217;s parent has died of cancer, I&#8217;d rather not explain to them why I prefer MSF to the American Cancer Society.  Or if someone has credit card debt and doesn&#8217;t donate much, I don&#8217;t want to embarrass them about this.</p>
<p>Ok, so my donations fit my self-image as a partially moral person, but c&#8217;mon: my jogging helps fit my self-image as a healthy person.  My givewell-style charitable donations are one of the least status-seeking things I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Roko</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/hiding-status-grubbing.html#comment-438787</link>
		<dc:creator>Roko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who continue to bash status seeking/mating seeking behavior, I have a cautionary tale. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://eunuchinfo.com/results.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://eunuchinfo.com/results.html&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;After castration, probably due at least in part to the self-image thing, I have had and still sometime have, big problems with my drive and motivation. There are so many things that no longer matter to me - things that created the &quot;appearance&quot; of who I was - nice clothes, new car, you know, all the toys. Today I don&#039;t feel the need for these things, because I simply don&#039;t care what anyone else thinks when they see me. So why waste the effort and money to &quot;show off&quot; ??? And if you don&#039;t need the extra money, then you don&#039;t need to make as much money, which of course takes less effort. The problem was that I just could not find a REASON to have a drive. What was I working for? It took years for me to establish a new &quot;life plan&quot; ... something to &quot;chase&quot;. And even now that I have one, I have to really fight with myself, to force myself to do what I need to do.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who continue to bash status seeking/mating seeking behavior, I have a cautionary tale. See <a href="http://eunuchinfo.com/results.html" rel="nofollow">http://eunuchinfo.com/results.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;After castration, probably due at least in part to the self-image thing, I have had and still sometime have, big problems with my drive and motivation. There are so many things that no longer matter to me &#8211; things that created the &#8220;appearance&#8221; of who I was &#8211; nice clothes, new car, you know, all the toys. Today I don&#8217;t feel the need for these things, because I simply don&#8217;t care what anyone else thinks when they see me. So why waste the effort and money to &#8220;show off&#8221; ??? And if you don&#8217;t need the extra money, then you don&#8217;t need to make as much money, which of course takes less effort. The problem was that I just could not find a REASON to have a drive. What was I working for? It took years for me to establish a new &#8220;life plan&#8221; &#8230; something to &#8220;chase&#8221;. And even now that I have one, I have to really fight with myself, to force myself to do what I need to do.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/hiding-status-grubbing.html#comment-438678</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think so much of it comes back to that thing about &#039;teach a man to fish...&#039; or hand up not hand out. It&#039;s outrageous to think that millions upon millions of people around the world aren&#039;t realizing even basic life potential, let alone at least a lot more of them becoming great musicians and the like, because of genetics. And it&#039;s to easy to blame their corrupt governments... trying to address this anonymously or otherwise is no mystery to me... so what about status? my status could hardly be lower in the eyes of many people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think so much of it comes back to that thing about &#8216;teach a man to fish&#8230;&#8217; or hand up not hand out. It&#8217;s outrageous to think that millions upon millions of people around the world aren&#8217;t realizing even basic life potential, let alone at least a lot more of them becoming great musicians and the like, because of genetics. And it&#8217;s to easy to blame their corrupt governments&#8230; trying to address this anonymously or otherwise is no mystery to me&#8230; so what about status? my status could hardly be lower in the eyes of many people.</p>
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		<title>By: Abhi Sivasailam</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/hiding-status-grubbing.html#comment-438633</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhi Sivasailam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I give charitably to an organization anonymously, what is my motivation if not status-seeking?

Am I merely trying to fulfill a specific, desired conception of myself? While that may be true sometimes, a functionalist answer seems much too simplistic to be valid all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I give charitably to an organization anonymously, what is my motivation if not status-seeking?</p>
<p>Am I merely trying to fulfill a specific, desired conception of myself? While that may be true sometimes, a functionalist answer seems much too simplistic to be valid all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/hiding-status-grubbing.html#comment-438565</link>
		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rational component in conformity was not ignored on this blog. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://lesswrong.com/lw/m9/aschs_conformity_experiment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rational component in conformity was not ignored on this blog. See <a href="http://lesswrong.com/lw/m9/aschs_conformity_experiment/" rel="nofollow">here</a> for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Philo</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/hiding-status-grubbing.html#comment-438564</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin&#039;s evo-psych thought is:  human beings live in groups; the individual&#039;s status within the group is important to his (reproductive) success; therefore natural selection supplies him with motivations to behave in ways that in fact will secure his group-status.  Even if higher status is not his own conscious intent, we can rightly describe his behavior as &quot;status-seeking.&quot;

This is like saying:  the motivations implanted in the individual by natural selection ultimately subserve his reproductive success; therefore, whatever we do is *really* aimed at reproducing ourselves.  (Not a very illuminating comment.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin&#8217;s evo-psych thought is:  human beings live in groups; the individual&#8217;s status within the group is important to his (reproductive) success; therefore natural selection supplies him with motivations to behave in ways that in fact will secure his group-status.  Even if higher status is not his own conscious intent, we can rightly describe his behavior as &#8220;status-seeking.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is like saying:  the motivations implanted in the individual by natural selection ultimately subserve his reproductive success; therefore, whatever we do is *really* aimed at reproducing ourselves.  (Not a very illuminating comment.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;but among none-idiots&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am almost certainly an idiot by your reckoning... I think some of the blame lies with the state, without it I wouldn&#039;t have either perished early or maybe turned out a real prick. I&#039;m not sure what&#039;s best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but among none-idiots</p></blockquote>
<p>I am almost certainly an idiot by your reckoning&#8230; I think some of the blame lies with the state, without it I wouldn&#8217;t have either perished early or maybe turned out a real prick. I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s best.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Wiblin</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/hiding-status-grubbing.html#comment-438551</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Wiblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Case in point:

If I became a philosopher, if I have so keenly sought this fame for which I&#039;m still waiting, it&#039;s all been to seduce women basically. - Sartre

Just be Great, then you can say anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Case in point:</p>
<p>If I became a philosopher, if I have so keenly sought this fame for which I&#8217;m still waiting, it&#8217;s all been to seduce women basically. &#8211; Sartre</p>
<p>Just be Great, then you can say anything.</p>
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