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		<title>By: Linkage is Good for You: Hypocrisy Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/comedy-is-cynical.html#comment-444193</link>
		<dc:creator>Linkage is Good for You: Hypocrisy Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robin Hanson &#8211; &#8220;Hearts vs. Heads&#8220;, &#8220;Comedy is Cynical&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: OldIdealist</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/comedy-is-cynical.html#comment-438688</link>
		<dc:creator>OldIdealist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anytime anyone tries to tell me that human action can be reduced to a single activity my bullshit meter starts to screaming.

You may be on to something regarding cynicism. I am not cynical and while I can laugh easily I&#039;m not adept at telling jokes. I think that&#039;s a small price to pay not to live your life under the constant cloud of disgust and hatred for your own species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime anyone tries to tell me that human action can be reduced to a single activity my bullshit meter starts to screaming.</p>
<p>You may be on to something regarding cynicism. I am not cynical and while I can laugh easily I&#8217;m not adept at telling jokes. I think that&#8217;s a small price to pay not to live your life under the constant cloud of disgust and hatred for your own species.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silliker</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/comedy-is-cynical.html#comment-438027</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Silliker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comedy is no longer humour, it now tickles your ambivalence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comedy is no longer humour, it now tickles your ambivalence.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silliker</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/comedy-is-cynical.html#comment-438026</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Silliker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really is a lotofun!</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/comedy-is-cynical.html#comment-438019</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Just sheer jealousy? Is that the best you could come up with?
‘Lack of desire to go into extreme credit card debt’
My integrity, or that which I aspire to, is such that I’ve never gone into
extreme debt. And on the few times I have used my overdraft (no more than £200), I recovered promptly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t meant to imply that all people with prudent spending habits are jealous of the wealth status seekers, simply that it was a third possible cause.  I believe my own amusement at the behavior of the aforementioned individuals is due to a combination of the first two listed causes (perceived duplicity and perceived shallowness).  These could probably both be categorized as laughing at behavior that we believe to be different from our own.

If you, too, occasionally find yourself laughing at wealth status seekers, what do you find your own reasons to be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just sheer jealousy? Is that the best you could come up with?<br />
‘Lack of desire to go into extreme credit card debt’<br />
My integrity, or that which I aspire to, is such that I’ve never gone into<br />
extreme debt. And on the few times I have used my overdraft (no more than £200), I recovered promptly.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t meant to imply that all people with prudent spending habits are jealous of the wealth status seekers, simply that it was a third possible cause.  I believe my own amusement at the behavior of the aforementioned individuals is due to a combination of the first two listed causes (perceived duplicity and perceived shallowness).  These could probably both be categorized as laughing at behavior that we believe to be different from our own.</p>
<p>If you, too, occasionally find yourself laughing at wealth status seekers, what do you find your own reasons to be?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/comedy-is-cynical.html#comment-437984</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, Robin. Your post got me thinking about the cynical basis of comedy, and also about how comedic pieces can be seen as enacting a sort of mock QA process, in which a set of social practices are tested to see which are &quot;good&quot; and which &quot;bad,&quot; i.e. socially acceptable or not. That is, the characters are shown to engage in certain practices, often in exaggerated form, and in unusual situations - &quot;edge use cases&quot; - in order to demonstrate which will &quot;break&quot; and which won&#039;t.  When they break, the audience laughs - and learns not to engage in this practice, either at all, or in certain situations. (I work in tech - thus my thinking of the QA analogy.) 

I&#039;ve written about this at http://litnow.litnow.com/?p=328.  I&#039;d love to know your thoughts on my analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Robin. Your post got me thinking about the cynical basis of comedy, and also about how comedic pieces can be seen as enacting a sort of mock QA process, in which a set of social practices are tested to see which are &#8220;good&#8221; and which &#8220;bad,&#8221; i.e. socially acceptable or not. That is, the characters are shown to engage in certain practices, often in exaggerated form, and in unusual situations &#8211; &#8220;edge use cases&#8221; &#8211; in order to demonstrate which will &#8220;break&#8221; and which won&#8217;t.  When they break, the audience laughs &#8211; and learns not to engage in this practice, either at all, or in certain situations. (I work in tech &#8211; thus my thinking of the QA analogy.) </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written about this at <a href="http://litnow.litnow.com/?p=328" rel="nofollow">http://litnow.litnow.com/?p=328</a>.  I&#8217;d love to know your thoughts on my analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One needs a sense of humour to cope with this madness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One needs a sense of humour to cope with this madness</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/comedy-is-cynical.html#comment-437964</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps openly seeking a wealthy status (regardless of one’s actual wealth) is also mocked because it indicates the seeker believes his/her own value is increased by the mere ownership of a new/expensive item. I think people would like to believe that they only truly consider the physical and mental characteristics of a person, so these status seekers might come off as completely shallow.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unfortunately, far from mocking it (yes it does happen in comedy, and that&#039;s on topic) people go along with it... they don&#039;t seem to equate themselves with the targets of comedy... or just don&#039;t care.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I would imagine that those with reduced financial means (or a lack of desire to go into extreme credit card debt) might mock wealth status seekers (obvious or not) due to sheer jealousy.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just sheer jealousy? Is that the best you could come up with? 
&#039;Lack of desire to go into extreme credit card debt&#039;
My integrity, or that which I aspire to, is such that I&#039;ve &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; gone into &lt;blockquote&gt;extreme&lt;/blockquote&gt; debt. And on the few times I have used my overdraft (no more than £200), I recovered promptly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Perhaps openly seeking a wealthy status (regardless of one’s actual wealth) is also mocked because it indicates the seeker believes his/her own value is increased by the mere ownership of a new/expensive item. I think people would like to believe that they only truly consider the physical and mental characteristics of a person, so these status seekers might come off as completely shallow.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately, far from mocking it (yes it does happen in comedy, and that&#8217;s on topic) people go along with it&#8230; they don&#8217;t seem to equate themselves with the targets of comedy&#8230; or just don&#8217;t care.</p>
<blockquote><p>I would imagine that those with reduced financial means (or a lack of desire to go into extreme credit card debt) might mock wealth status seekers (obvious or not) due to sheer jealousy.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Just sheer jealousy? Is that the best you could come up with?<br />
&#8216;Lack of desire to go into extreme credit card debt&#8217;<br />
My integrity, or that which I aspire to, is such that I&#8217;ve <em>never</em> gone into<br />
<blockquote>extreme</p></blockquote>
<p> debt. And on the few times I have used my overdraft (no more than £200), I recovered promptly.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The excerpt above seems to describe a very specific type of status seeking -  the obvious attempt at projecting an image of wealth.

I think this particular type of status seeking is often criticized due to the duplicity which is frequently associated with it. Take as an example the guy who makes $10-$20/hr and is sinking deeper and deeper into debt to provide the illusion of wealth through his purchases of a new bmw, luxury home furnishings, 0% down McMansion, 3g ipod, netbook, etc.

Perhaps openly seeking a wealthy status (regardless of one&#039;s actual wealth) is also mocked because it indicates the seeker believes his/her own value is increased by the mere ownership of a new/expensive item.  I think people would like to believe that they only truly consider the physical and mental characteristics of a person, so these status seekers might come off as completely shallow.

Alternately, I would imagine that those with reduced financial means (or a lack of desire to go into extreme credit card debt) might mock wealth status seekers (obvious or not) due to sheer jealousy.

As for cynicism in comedy in general, we tend to have very high opinions of ourselves and aren&#039;t always very tolerant of groups or individuals who we see as different.  Comedians do a great job of focusing on and exaggerating our differences and provide us an outlet for dealing with these feelings through laughter rather than violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The excerpt above seems to describe a very specific type of status seeking &#8211;  the obvious attempt at projecting an image of wealth.</p>
<p>I think this particular type of status seeking is often criticized due to the duplicity which is frequently associated with it. Take as an example the guy who makes $10-$20/hr and is sinking deeper and deeper into debt to provide the illusion of wealth through his purchases of a new bmw, luxury home furnishings, 0% down McMansion, 3g ipod, netbook, etc.</p>
<p>Perhaps openly seeking a wealthy status (regardless of one&#8217;s actual wealth) is also mocked because it indicates the seeker believes his/her own value is increased by the mere ownership of a new/expensive item.  I think people would like to believe that they only truly consider the physical and mental characteristics of a person, so these status seekers might come off as completely shallow.</p>
<p>Alternately, I would imagine that those with reduced financial means (or a lack of desire to go into extreme credit card debt) might mock wealth status seekers (obvious or not) due to sheer jealousy.</p>
<p>As for cynicism in comedy in general, we tend to have very high opinions of ourselves and aren&#8217;t always very tolerant of groups or individuals who we see as different.  Comedians do a great job of focusing on and exaggerating our differences and provide us an outlet for dealing with these feelings through laughter rather than violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/comedy-is-cynical.html#comment-437873</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, help me out here, what&#039;s cynical about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkJswDjn3zs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, help me out here, what&#8217;s cynical about this? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkJswDjn3zs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkJswDjn3zs</a></p>
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