Comments on: Animal Smoking Studies http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/animal-smoking-studies.html Overcoming Bias is economist Robin Hanson’s blog, on honesty, signaling, disagreement, forecasting, and the far future. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:09:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: boxer http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/animal-smoking-studies.html#comment-441401 boxer Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:19:34 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=21149#comment-441401 As hamsters, rats and dogs have lifespans much shorter than humans, perhaps they are not exposed to smoke for long enough to produce damage. As hamsters, rats and dogs have lifespans much shorter than humans, perhaps they are not exposed to smoke for long enough to produce damage.

]]> By: Joe http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/animal-smoking-studies.html#comment-439558 Joe Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:55:24 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=21149#comment-439558 Exactly my thoughts. Exactly my thoughts.

]]> By: Silas Barta http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/animal-smoking-studies.html#comment-439530 Silas Barta Tue, 29 Dec 2009 05:02:26 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=21149#comment-439530 If there's a button I can push that would kill every mass murderer, I'd press it. Wait, what decision-theoretic problem was all of this isomorphic to, again? If there’s a button I can push that would kill every mass murderer, I’d press it.

Wait, what decision-theoretic problem was all of this isomorphic to, again?

]]> By: Hal Finney http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/animal-smoking-studies.html#comment-439503 Hal Finney Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:00:32 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=21149#comment-439503 The brisket yarmulke, just in case: http://www.royalbaconsociety.com/blog/bacon-art/hats-of-meat/ The brisket yarmulke, just in case:

http://www.royalbaconsociety.com/blog/bacon-art/hats-of-meat/

]]> By: curious http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/animal-smoking-studies.html#comment-439501 curious Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:25:38 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=21149#comment-439501 <blockquote>Yes this review author works for a tobacco firm, but his papers seem professional.</blockquote> this is a riot. good one!

Yes this review author works for a tobacco firm, but his papers seem professional.

this is a riot. good one!

]]> By: Ben A http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/animal-smoking-studies.html#comment-439498 Ben A Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:22:55 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=21149#comment-439498 Correct. COPD has classically been defined as comprising both emphysema and chronic bronchitis (although now a broader umbrella definition is preferred). My sense is that not many epidemiological studies of COPD have sought to separate out risk factors for the emphysema and chronic bronchitis components, but I am by no means expert in this literature. COPD certainly has a significant disease burden. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs315/en/index.html Correct. COPD has classically been defined as comprising both emphysema and chronic bronchitis (although now a broader umbrella definition is preferred). My sense is that not many epidemiological studies of COPD have sought to separate out risk factors for the emphysema and chronic bronchitis components, but I am by no means expert in this literature.

COPD certainly has a significant disease burden. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs315/en/index.html

]]> By: loqi http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/animal-smoking-studies.html#comment-439496 loqi Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:52:31 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=21149#comment-439496 <a href="http://www.hatsofmeat.com" rel="nofollow">Just in case</a>. Just in case.

]]> By: pdf23ds http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/animal-smoking-studies.html#comment-439494 pdf23ds Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:38:24 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=21149#comment-439494 Does COPD include emphysema? I was under the impression that emphysema was an uncontroversial effect of smoking, and almost as deadly as cancer in its extreme forms. Does COPD include emphysema? I was under the impression that emphysema was an uncontroversial effect of smoking, and almost as deadly as cancer in its extreme forms.

]]> By: Floccina http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/animal-smoking-studies.html#comment-439492 Floccina Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:12:26 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=21149#comment-439492 It seems to me that the Animals tested do not live long enough to get lung cancer from smoking. From what I have read, there is almost no increased mortality due to smoking before the age of 30 which generally 10 to 15 years in from starting. So I am not surprised that Animals do not show increased mortality due to smoking. It seems to me that the Animals tested do not live long enough to get lung cancer from smoking. From what I have read, there is almost no increased mortality due to smoking before the age of 30 which generally 10 to 15 years in from starting. So I am not surprised that Animals do not show increased mortality due to smoking.

]]> By: Ben A http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/animal-smoking-studies.html#comment-439481 Ben A Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:14:31 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=21149#comment-439481 Right -- because you aren't trying to kill the mice. You're trying to evoke COPD so you can a) examine the biology, b) see if your test compound has effect. These animals for sure have inflammation and airway pathology suggestive of human COPD. Right — because you aren’t trying to kill the mice. You’re trying to evoke COPD so you can a) examine the biology, b) see if your test compound has effect. These animals for sure have inflammation and airway pathology suggestive of human COPD.

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