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		<title>By: Overcoming Bias : Come The Em Rev</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/tear-down-this-wall.html#comment-572861</link>
		<dc:creator>Overcoming Bias : Come The Em Rev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Law: Private &#8211; With a basic legal structure that lets parties commit to their own legal rules and procedures, ems could adopt much faster legal procedures and explore the space of more em-suitable laws. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Law: Private &#8211; With a basic legal structure that lets parties commit to their own legal rules and procedures, ems could adopt much faster legal procedures and explore the space of more em-suitable laws. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Goatmania</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/tear-down-this-wall.html#comment-436010</link>
		<dc:creator>Goatmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither contracts nor laws supersede human rights. I suppose though exist in economics, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither contracts nor laws supersede human rights. I suppose though exist in economics, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Amasa Amos</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/tear-down-this-wall.html#comment-435865</link>
		<dc:creator>Amasa Amos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never understood how Al Franken&#039;s &quot;anti-rape&quot; amendment is supposed to interfere with &quot;private law&quot;. The amendment does not outlaw any form of private contract, it merely &quot;prevent[s] the Pentagon from contracting with&quot; companies that have entered into certain classes of contract with third parties. Obviously, this is intended to discourage such contracts, but companies are still free to engage in them so long as they&#039;re prepared to give up government business. It seems like an admirably free market solution to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never understood how Al Franken&#8217;s &#8220;anti-rape&#8221; amendment is supposed to interfere with &#8220;private law&#8221;. The amendment does not outlaw any form of private contract, it merely &#8220;prevent[s] the Pentagon from contracting with&#8221; companies that have entered into certain classes of contract with third parties. Obviously, this is intended to discourage such contracts, but companies are still free to engage in them so long as they&#8217;re prepared to give up government business. It seems like an admirably free market solution to me.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/tear-down-this-wall.html#comment-435851</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Psy and david, how do we now deal with folks pressured into joining a nation they “don’t really want”? Should the U.N. limit movement between nations to prevent such errors?&lt;/i&gt;

Well, we don&#039;t, do we? I don&#039;t think we can suppose that wider society has a coherent theory of legitimate choice to begin with. Appropriately, North Korea &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; has been allegedly kidnapping South Koreans, and insists that they have actually defected of their own free will and refuses to allow them to return to South Korea. But the conventional wisdom here seems to be to assume that the South, not the North, is correct - and to complicate this further, it is evident that despite this neither the South nor the international community would consider this a priority in DPRK relations.

States (and their electorates) are concerned about different things than the movement of a tiny minority of people, unless one of them somehow becomes the basis of a sympathetic campaign, in which case the state still concerns itself with sympathy rather than coherence. Likewise in this case of Jamie L Jones; there have undoubtedly been previous cases where some employee has been similarly prevented from going to government court, but there is controversy only now because Jones is exceptionally sympathetic.

Recall that when the economy went sour in Qatar and hundreds of Western expatriates - who had obtained work visas in Qatar with all their associated conditions - suddenly got in debt trouble, coverage didn&#039;t go &quot;yeah well you agreed to be subject to those laws, suck on it&quot;. Coverage went &quot;universal human rights, outdated medieval bankruptcy laws, etc.&quot; We &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; let people tie themselves to other nations, we &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; think this implies adult choice of law. At least for some laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Psy and david, how do we now deal with folks pressured into joining a nation they “don’t really want”? Should the U.N. limit movement between nations to prevent such errors?</i></p>
<p>Well, we don&#8217;t, do we? I don&#8217;t think we can suppose that wider society has a coherent theory of legitimate choice to begin with. Appropriately, North Korea <i>really</i> has been allegedly kidnapping South Koreans, and insists that they have actually defected of their own free will and refuses to allow them to return to South Korea. But the conventional wisdom here seems to be to assume that the South, not the North, is correct &#8211; and to complicate this further, it is evident that despite this neither the South nor the international community would consider this a priority in DPRK relations.</p>
<p>States (and their electorates) are concerned about different things than the movement of a tiny minority of people, unless one of them somehow becomes the basis of a sympathetic campaign, in which case the state still concerns itself with sympathy rather than coherence. Likewise in this case of Jamie L Jones; there have undoubtedly been previous cases where some employee has been similarly prevented from going to government court, but there is controversy only now because Jones is exceptionally sympathetic.</p>
<p>Recall that when the economy went sour in Qatar and hundreds of Western expatriates &#8211; who had obtained work visas in Qatar with all their associated conditions &#8211; suddenly got in debt trouble, coverage didn&#8217;t go &#8220;yeah well you agreed to be subject to those laws, suck on it&#8221;. Coverage went &#8220;universal human rights, outdated medieval bankruptcy laws, etc.&#8221; We <i>do</i> let people tie themselves to other nations, we <i>don&#8217;t</i> think this implies adult choice of law. At least for some laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/tear-down-this-wall.html#comment-435849</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that would be a good change, if not be the easiest first step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that would be a good change, if not be the easiest first step.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/tear-down-this-wall.html#comment-435848</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we should only let people change nations if they have family in the new nation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we should only let people change nations if they have family in the new nation?</p>
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		<title>By: richard silliker</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/tear-down-this-wall.html#comment-435847</link>
		<dc:creator>richard silliker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give&#039;em guns and I will bet donuts to dollars that law will get real simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give&#8217;em guns and I will bet donuts to dollars that law will get real simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Granite26</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/tear-down-this-wall.html#comment-435845</link>
		<dc:creator>Granite26</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be guilty of an RTFM failure here, but wasn&#039;t the arbitration against Haliburton as a corporate entity rather than against the person who commited the actual crime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be guilty of an RTFM failure here, but wasn&#8217;t the arbitration against Haliburton as a corporate entity rather than against the person who commited the actual crime?</p>
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		<title>By: Granite26</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/tear-down-this-wall.html#comment-435844</link>
		<dc:creator>Granite26</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you mean something like a generic EULA club, to where you sign up for it and then any supporting software, instead of a long complicated eula, will simply list which eula it&#039;s giving you?

I.E.  &quot;CompuSoft uses a EULACLUB Restrictive license.  Please enter your current EULACLUB membership ID to sign&quot;

That makes a lot of sense.  Companies buy rights to use the agreement, which pays for lawyers to enforce.  Users only need to read a few contracts once before they can revert to a shortform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you mean something like a generic EULA club, to where you sign up for it and then any supporting software, instead of a long complicated eula, will simply list which eula it&#8217;s giving you?</p>
<p>I.E.  &#8220;CompuSoft uses a EULACLUB Restrictive license.  Please enter your current EULACLUB membership ID to sign&#8221;</p>
<p>That makes a lot of sense.  Companies buy rights to use the agreement, which pays for lawyers to enforce.  Users only need to read a few contracts once before they can revert to a shortform.</p>
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		<title>By: Signaling Solemnity for Private Law &#171; Incessant Dissent</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/tear-down-this-wall.html#comment-435843</link>
		<dc:creator>Signaling Solemnity for Private Law &#171; Incessant Dissent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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