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	<title>Comments on: Smile Till It Hurts</title>
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	<description>Overcoming Bias is economist Robin Hanson’s blog, on honesty, signaling, disagreement, forecasting, and the far future.</description>
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		<title>By: Spinoza's Prophet</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/smile-till-it-hurts.html#comment-436377</link>
		<dc:creator>Spinoza's Prophet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;there is absoluteliy no money in telling people that they are deluded. none.&quot;

Yet Consumer Reports stays in business, and pessimists like Ehrenreich (or my favorite crochety curmudgeon, John Derbyshire) get their books published (and appear to make at least a modest living from them), so there&#039;s at least some money in telling people their deluded.  Likewise, many forms of psychotherapy (not to mention some forms of mysticism (!), like Buddhism) are based on telling people that they are deluded and getting them to face reality- and therapists tend to make a fairly tidy living.  Though they could simply be feeding them the delusion that freedom from delusion is possible (or even desirable).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there is absoluteliy no money in telling people that they are deluded. none.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet Consumer Reports stays in business, and pessimists like Ehrenreich (or my favorite crochety curmudgeon, John Derbyshire) get their books published (and appear to make at least a modest living from them), so there&#8217;s at least some money in telling people their deluded.  Likewise, many forms of psychotherapy (not to mention some forms of mysticism (!), like Buddhism) are based on telling people that they are deluded and getting them to face reality- and therapists tend to make a fairly tidy living.  Though they could simply be feeding them the delusion that freedom from delusion is possible (or even desirable).</p>
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		<title>By: Marian Kechlibar</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/smile-till-it-hurts.html#comment-436315</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian Kechlibar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I actually found that quite a lot of people associate the ability to snark wittily (a la Oscar Wilde) as an important indicator of intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I actually found that quite a lot of people associate the ability to snark wittily (a la Oscar Wilde) as an important indicator of intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/smile-till-it-hurts.html#comment-436306</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But going too far signaling your confidence via happiness can interfere with signaling your intelligence – you might just seem too stupid to notice how bad things are.  Since Ehrenreich has much intelligence to signal, it makes sense for her to show snarkiness instead of happiness.&quot;

I&#039;m a keen reader of this blog, but passages like that make me see why a lot of people find you overrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But going too far signaling your confidence via happiness can interfere with signaling your intelligence – you might just seem too stupid to notice how bad things are.  Since Ehrenreich has much intelligence to signal, it makes sense for her to show snarkiness instead of happiness.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a keen reader of this blog, but passages like that make me see why a lot of people find you overrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Riedel</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/smile-till-it-hurts.html#comment-436304</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Riedel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In case there are any doubts, yes of course the recent panel advice to reduce breast cancer testing is right, and yes this bodes ill for US med spending.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why does this bode ill?  Because the backlash is indicative of what will happen in the future if the government tries to cut back on unnecessary procedures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In case there are any doubts, yes of course the recent panel advice to reduce breast cancer testing is right, and yes this bodes ill for US med spending.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why does this bode ill?  Because the backlash is indicative of what will happen in the future if the government tries to cut back on unnecessary procedures?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Soreff</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/smile-till-it-hurts.html#comment-436303</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Soreff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The upbeat forecasts I described were directed to US employees.  For this group, the size of the US workforce is a good measure of IBM&#039;s success, certainly better than most other publicly available measures (e.g. stock price).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The upbeat forecasts I described were directed to US employees.  For this group, the size of the US workforce is a good measure of IBM&#8217;s success, certainly better than most other publicly available measures (e.g. stock price).</p>
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		<title>By: Hopefully Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/smile-till-it-hurts.html#comment-436302</link>
		<dc:creator>Hopefully Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The author deploys her sharpest tone to eviscerate the business community’s embrace of positive thinking. Offered as a sap to those facing layoffs, used as a spur to better performance by those workers who remain. …&quot;

What&#039;s going on in this set of sentences? I don&#039;t see the direction connection between optimism leading to &quot;the current financial mess&quot; and using optimism &quot; as a sap to those facing layoffs, ... as a spur to better performance by those workers who remain&quot;.

Messy logic here, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The author deploys her sharpest tone to eviscerate the business community’s embrace of positive thinking. Offered as a sap to those facing layoffs, used as a spur to better performance by those workers who remain. …&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s going on in this set of sentences? I don&#8217;t see the direction connection between optimism leading to &#8220;the current financial mess&#8221; and using optimism &#8221; as a sap to those facing layoffs, &#8230; as a spur to better performance by those workers who remain&#8221;.</p>
<p>Messy logic here, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey, are we sure that the size of their US workforce is the best measure of IBM&#039;s success?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey, are we sure that the size of their US workforce is the best measure of IBM&#8217;s success?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Soreff</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/smile-till-it-hurts.html#comment-436297</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Soreff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps one reason businesses come in for particular criticism is that their ludicrously sunny announcements are more frequent than typical medical ones.  For instance, in IBM I hear year after year of upbeat forcasts - while the US workforce has been cut consistently every year for five years.  I&#039;m not sure if upper management is &lt;strong&gt;capable&lt;/strong&gt; of honesty, after this history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps one reason businesses come in for particular criticism is that their ludicrously sunny announcements are more frequent than typical medical ones.  For instance, in IBM I hear year after year of upbeat forcasts &#8211; while the US workforce has been cut consistently every year for five years.  I&#8217;m not sure if upper management is <strong>capable</strong> of honesty, after this history.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know Robin, I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen you with anything but a smile on your face. Granted, I haven&#039;t known you very long, but you seem like one of the happiest guys I&#039;ve ever met. Are you intentionally trying to associate with folks who are having a good time, or are you honestly filled with Bayesian cheer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know Robin, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen you with anything but a smile on your face. Granted, I haven&#8217;t known you very long, but you seem like one of the happiest guys I&#8217;ve ever met. Are you intentionally trying to associate with folks who are having a good time, or are you honestly filled with Bayesian cheer?</p>
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		<title>By: q</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/smile-till-it-hurts.html#comment-436284</link>
		<dc:creator>q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its ehrenreich&#039;s bias on one hand, and on the other hand it&#039;s a description of the dynamic governing how &#039;business&#039; gets paid -- making hopeful promises, selling the thing that people would rather have or believe or be compared to their currently perceived reality, playing into and reinforcing peoples&#039; fantasies, etc.  there is absoluteliy no money in telling people that they are deluded.  none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its ehrenreich&#8217;s bias on one hand, and on the other hand it&#8217;s a description of the dynamic governing how &#8216;business&#8217; gets paid &#8212; making hopeful promises, selling the thing that people would rather have or believe or be compared to their currently perceived reality, playing into and reinforcing peoples&#8217; fantasies, etc.  there is absoluteliy no money in telling people that they are deluded.  none.</p>
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