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		<title>By: Cuckoldry Vs. Butt Rape &#171; Chateau Heartiste</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/require-baby-paternity-test.html#comment-576254</link>
		<dc:creator>Cuckoldry Vs. Butt Rape &#171; Chateau Heartiste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] spirited discussion of resolving the ultimate betrayal through mandatory paternity testing made the rounds on the internet. A male commenter at Overcoming Bias had this to say about the CHian contention that cuckoldry is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] spirited discussion of resolving the ultimate betrayal through mandatory paternity testing made the rounds on the internet. A male commenter at Overcoming Bias had this to say about the CHian contention that cuckoldry is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: social fundamentals: paternity uncertanty</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/require-baby-paternity-test.html#comment-521209</link>
		<dc:creator>social fundamentals: paternity uncertanty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] large number of children and men today have false beliefs about their biological kinship.  Recent discussion of paternity has lacked adequate review of available scientific knowledge.  Given the current scientific [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] large number of children and men today have false beliefs about their biological kinship.  Recent discussion of paternity has lacked adequate review of available scientific knowledge.  Given the current scientific [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Dell</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/require-baby-paternity-test.html#comment-469644</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet Dell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 19:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince, you state that supporting a child doesn&#039;t involve just monetary support and in theory this is true BUT , we as a society have put a premium importance to it. In a number of areas fathers go to jail for not paying support but I have yet to hear of a mother going to jail for failure to allow a father to visit and nuture his child. We have government agencies in a lot of areas whos job it is to enforce monetary support but none (to my knowledge) to enforce visitation orders. So it seems that society and the government have put monetary support above other types of support in the hierarchy.

You also state that men should be made to step up and father children , women can&#039;t escape it, why should men be able to.

Well, let me say this.

Men have ZERO rights given by society to allow them to escape the burden of child rearing, it is not up to them but in fact up to the mother. Even if a man were raped and his sperm taken by force , he would still be held legally and financially responsible for the offspring, a mother on the other hand can choose abortion and unilateral adoption. Choices that men don&#039;t have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince, you state that supporting a child doesn&#8217;t involve just monetary support and in theory this is true BUT , we as a society have put a premium importance to it. In a number of areas fathers go to jail for not paying support but I have yet to hear of a mother going to jail for failure to allow a father to visit and nuture his child. We have government agencies in a lot of areas whos job it is to enforce monetary support but none (to my knowledge) to enforce visitation orders. So it seems that society and the government have put monetary support above other types of support in the hierarchy.</p>
<p>You also state that men should be made to step up and father children , women can&#8217;t escape it, why should men be able to.</p>
<p>Well, let me say this.</p>
<p>Men have ZERO rights given by society to allow them to escape the burden of child rearing, it is not up to them but in fact up to the mother. Even if a man were raped and his sperm taken by force , he would still be held legally and financially responsible for the offspring, a mother on the other hand can choose abortion and unilateral adoption. Choices that men don&#8217;t have.</p>
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		<title>By: random goof</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/require-baby-paternity-test.html#comment-469049</link>
		<dc:creator>random goof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now hang on a second here. Did you really say and mean that?

Justice demands — by definition! — that innocent third parties not be harmed.-???!

Really? Ok. So are you saying that if a thief breaks into your house and steals everything and is caught, justice demands--by definition!!! (three exclamation points!)-- that he is not punished because that would cause harm to his innocent children?

By this rationale, anyone with a child can commit any crime, and that--by definition!--is retarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now hang on a second here. Did you really say and mean that?</p>
<p>Justice demands — by definition! — that innocent third parties not be harmed.-???!</p>
<p>Really? Ok. So are you saying that if a thief breaks into your house and steals everything and is caught, justice demands&#8211;by definition!!! (three exclamation points!)&#8211; that he is not punished because that would cause harm to his innocent children?</p>
<p>By this rationale, anyone with a child can commit any crime, and that&#8211;by definition!&#8211;is retarded.</p>
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		<title>By: waitingforgodel</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/require-baby-paternity-test.html#comment-461532</link>
		<dc:creator>waitingforgodel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 16:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s times like these that I wish OB supported upvotes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s times like these that I wish OB supported upvotes</p>
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		<title>By: Overcoming Bias : Gentle Silent Rape</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/require-baby-paternity-test.html#comment-461010</link>
		<dc:creator>Overcoming Bias : Gentle Silent Rape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] year ago I wrote two controversial posts (each 150 comments) that compared cuckoldry to rape. I was puzzling over why our law punishes [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/require-baby-paternity-test.html#comment-438438</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas Galbi emailed me this comment to post:

The cited article claims:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The most extensive and authoritative report...concluded that 2 percent of men with &quot;high paternity confidence&quot; — married men who had every reason to believe they were their children’s father — were, in fact, not biological parents.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The suppressed reference is to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anth.uconn.edu/degree_programs/ecolevo/kermyt.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;meta-analysis by Anderson&lt;/a&gt;, appearing in Current Anthropology in 2006. The analyzed studies do not specify their samples as &quot;married men who had every reason to believe they were their children&#039;s father&quot;. Moreover, the specification of the 2% statistic isn&#039;t correct. A &lt;a href=&quot;http://purplemotes.net/2009/12/13/social-fundamentals/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more comprehensive review of non-paternity statistics&lt;/a&gt; suggests that roughly 5% of children in high-income countries falsely identify their biological father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas Galbi emailed me this comment to post:</p>
<p>The cited article claims:</p>
<blockquote><p>The most extensive and authoritative report&#8230;concluded that 2 percent of men with &#8220;high paternity confidence&#8221; — married men who had every reason to believe they were their children’s father — were, in fact, not biological parents.</p></blockquote>
<p>The suppressed reference is to a <a href="http://www.anth.uconn.edu/degree_programs/ecolevo/kermyt.pdf" rel="nofollow">meta-analysis by Anderson</a>, appearing in Current Anthropology in 2006. The analyzed studies do not specify their samples as &#8220;married men who had every reason to believe they were their children&#8217;s father&#8221;. Moreover, the specification of the 2% statistic isn&#8217;t correct. A <a href="http://purplemotes.net/2009/12/13/social-fundamentals/" rel="nofollow">more comprehensive review of non-paternity statistics</a> suggests that roughly 5% of children in high-income countries falsely identify their biological father.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/require-baby-paternity-test.html#comment-438362</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just added to this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just added to this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Galbi</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/require-baby-paternity-test.html#comment-438335</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Galbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cited article claims:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The most extensive and authoritative report...concluded that 2 percent of men with &quot;high paternity confidence&quot; — married men who had every reason to believe they were their children’s father — were, in fact, not biological parents.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The suppressed reference is to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anth.uconn.edu/degree_programs/ecolevo/kermyt.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;meta-analysis by Anderson&lt;/a&gt;, appearing in Current Anthropology in 2006.  The  analyzed studies do not specify their samples as &quot;married men who had every reason to believe they were their children&#039;s father&quot;.  Moreover, the specification of the 2% statistic isn&#039;t correct.  A &lt;a href=&quot;http://purplemotes.net/2009/12/13/social-fundamentals/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more comprehensive review of non-paternity statistics&lt;/a&gt; suggests that roughly 5% of children in high-income countries falsely identify their biological father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cited article claims:</p>
<blockquote><p>The most extensive and authoritative report&#8230;concluded that 2 percent of men with &#8220;high paternity confidence&#8221; — married men who had every reason to believe they were their children’s father — were, in fact, not biological parents.</p></blockquote>
<p>The suppressed reference is to a <a href="http://www.anth.uconn.edu/degree_programs/ecolevo/kermyt.pdf" rel="nofollow">meta-analysis by Anderson</a>, appearing in Current Anthropology in 2006.  The  analyzed studies do not specify their samples as &#8220;married men who had every reason to believe they were their children&#8217;s father&#8221;.  Moreover, the specification of the 2% statistic isn&#8217;t correct.  A <a href="http://purplemotes.net/2009/12/13/social-fundamentals/" rel="nofollow">more comprehensive review of non-paternity statistics</a> suggests that roughly 5% of children in high-income countries falsely identify their biological father.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sabotta</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/require-baby-paternity-test.html#comment-438118</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sabotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyone remotely aware of the existence of axiomatic libertarians can already have predicted their position and argument and already know what they think of that.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

...says the Bayesian superman. Well, I think that your response to being shoved head-first into a wood chipper would be equally &quot;predictable&quot; and boring and &quot;axiomatic&quot;, Hanson. But the tedious predictability of your generic uniformative complaints (screams, unimaginative and repetitive shrieking, etc.) still doesn&#039;t give anyone the right t\o turn you into Hanson puree. 

Roissy +Hanson. The nerd will to power unleashed! (Make sure you wash your hands afterwards, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anyone remotely aware of the existence of axiomatic libertarians can already have predicted their position and argument and already know what they think of that.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;says the Bayesian superman. Well, I think that your response to being shoved head-first into a wood chipper would be equally &#8220;predictable&#8221; and boring and &#8220;axiomatic&#8221;, Hanson. But the tedious predictability of your generic uniformative complaints (screams, unimaginative and repetitive shrieking, etc.) still doesn&#8217;t give anyone the right t\o turn you into Hanson puree. </p>
<p>Roissy +Hanson. The nerd will to power unleashed! (Make sure you wash your hands afterwards, though.)</p>
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