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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/pride-is-about-status.html#comment-440689</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we prudish about admitting we do things to get status? Is that about status-seeking too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we prudish about admitting we do things to get status? Is that about status-seeking too?</p>
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		<title>By: nazgulnarsil</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/pride-is-about-status.html#comment-435657</link>
		<dc:creator>nazgulnarsil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, status is zero sum while the living standards can be positive sum (due to our underutilization of free neg-entropy from the sun.  when we eventually return to malthusian subsistence living standards will be zero sum again).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, status is zero sum while the living standards can be positive sum (due to our underutilization of free neg-entropy from the sun.  when we eventually return to malthusian subsistence living standards will be zero sum again).</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/pride-is-about-status.html#comment-435637</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This question exceeds my intellectual capacity.

Rough guess: what would it suggest? Nothing, unless the picture is derived on the principle of matter analyses, which would mean that every peace of matter is in some way affected by every other piece of matter in the universe. Then, in theory it would be possible to extrapolate the particular individual`s social standing from the time difference in consideration of the fact that a group of people decides to see a midnight showing of Metropolis (at 30 light years distance). This would also imply the information of that individual`s social standing and the group`s decision to see metropolis was already around, when it all started with the big bang. 
This closes the logical loop, because we are at that &quot;nothing&quot; point again. 

This is supposed to be funny, but it is arguable if Germans (like myself) even understand what humor really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This question exceeds my intellectual capacity.</p>
<p>Rough guess: what would it suggest? Nothing, unless the picture is derived on the principle of matter analyses, which would mean that every peace of matter is in some way affected by every other piece of matter in the universe. Then, in theory it would be possible to extrapolate the particular individual`s social standing from the time difference in consideration of the fact that a group of people decides to see a midnight showing of Metropolis (at 30 light years distance). This would also imply the information of that individual`s social standing and the group`s decision to see metropolis was already around, when it all started with the big bang.<br />
This closes the logical loop, because we are at that &#8220;nothing&#8221; point again. </p>
<p>This is supposed to be funny, but it is arguable if Germans (like myself) even understand what humor really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Rex</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/pride-is-about-status.html#comment-435633</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Think of the things you do that you tend to feel proud of, and you’ll probably resist the idea that you do these things to raise your status.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree that I am proud of things that raise status, but I think there&#039;s an important distinction:

I am proud of the things I think &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; raise my status, and I am often &quot;anti-proud&quot; of things which &lt;em&gt;actually&lt;/em&gt; raise my status (that is, more than they should).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Think of the things you do that you tend to feel proud of, and you’ll probably resist the idea that you do these things to raise your status.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree that I am proud of things that raise status, but I think there&#8217;s an important distinction:</p>
<p>I am proud of the things I think <em>should</em> raise my status, and I am often &#8220;anti-proud&#8221; of things which <em>actually</em> raise my status (that is, more than they should).</p>
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		<title>By: anarkst</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/pride-is-about-status.html#comment-435632</link>
		<dc:creator>anarkst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We used 3 different … [ways] to test whether the nonverbal expression of pride sends a functional, automatically perceived signal about a social group member’s increased social status.&quot;

Wow, you guys have waaaay too much time on your hands.  But, having said that, perhaps you can consider the following:

&quot;If you had ten cameras focused on the same person on Earth (at intervals of ten light years distance), [1,000,000,000mp resolution], what would the time difference suggest about that individual&#039;s social standing if a group of people decided (at 30 light years distance) to go to the local alternative movie house and view a midnight showing of, &quot;Metropolis?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We used 3 different … [ways] to test whether the nonverbal expression of pride sends a functional, automatically perceived signal about a social group member’s increased social status.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, you guys have waaaay too much time on your hands.  But, having said that, perhaps you can consider the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;If you had ten cameras focused on the same person on Earth (at intervals of ten light years distance), [1,000,000,000mp resolution], what would the time difference suggest about that individual&#8217;s social standing if a group of people decided (at 30 light years distance) to go to the local alternative movie house and view a midnight showing of, &#8220;Metropolis?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/pride-is-about-status.html#comment-435631</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your remarks. I will have to think about it first though. This has a lot of implications for micro-economic theory. Emotions are not really considered in the models, although they are essential for the subject matter. Maybe classical and even more improved RC-Models are totally not up to date anymore. The one that still makes the most sense to me is the RREEMM-model by Siegfried Lindenberg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your remarks. I will have to think about it first though. This has a lot of implications for micro-economic theory. Emotions are not really considered in the models, although they are essential for the subject matter. Maybe classical and even more improved RC-Models are totally not up to date anymore. The one that still makes the most sense to me is the RREEMM-model by Siegfried Lindenberg.</p>
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		<title>By: Challenge</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/pride-is-about-status.html#comment-435628</link>
		<dc:creator>Challenge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you both</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both</p>
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		<title>By: Pwno</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/pride-is-about-status.html#comment-435625</link>
		<dc:creator>Pwno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about the same thing lately. 

I was also thinking that for utilitarians, there is a philanthropic minimum per status increase. For every status increase, there is dis-utility created for other people who lower in status in exchange. So depending on how far up your status is from subsistence level (or the level where all wealth/status is shared equally by the world), there is a minimum amount of philanthropy you must do (minimum amount of utility to others). 

If we find a function to calculate this minimum contribution, maybe we can reach some equilibrium. 

Note* you might think that if everyone contributed their minimum amount, we would all go back to subsistence level. However, this is not taking into account economies of scale higher status people can take advantage of in contributing their minimum utility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about the same thing lately. </p>
<p>I was also thinking that for utilitarians, there is a philanthropic minimum per status increase. For every status increase, there is dis-utility created for other people who lower in status in exchange. So depending on how far up your status is from subsistence level (or the level where all wealth/status is shared equally by the world), there is a minimum amount of philanthropy you must do (minimum amount of utility to others). </p>
<p>If we find a function to calculate this minimum contribution, maybe we can reach some equilibrium. </p>
<p>Note* you might think that if everyone contributed their minimum amount, we would all go back to subsistence level. However, this is not taking into account economies of scale higher status people can take advantage of in contributing their minimum utility.</p>
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		<title>By: Pwno</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/pride-is-about-status.html#comment-435624</link>
		<dc:creator>Pwno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://greenlightwiki.com/improv/Status&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Right here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://greenlightwiki.com/improv/Status" rel="nofollow">Right here</a></p>
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		<title>By: billswift</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/11/pride-is-about-status.html#comment-435623</link>
		<dc:creator>billswift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All three statements are true depending on several aspects of the situation.  Number one is always true when your emotions are unusually strong, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All three statements are true depending on several aspects of the situation.  Number one is always true when your emotions are unusually strong, for example.</p>
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