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		<title>By: I for one welcome our robot overlords &#171; Mike Kenny</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/prefer-law-to-values.html#comment-567557</link>
		<dc:creator>I for one welcome our robot overlords &#171; Mike Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The importance of rights-respecting robots at Overcoming Bias. I comment:  If robots better at self-propagating will own the future, shouldn’t humans see any robot propagation as a threat, assuming robots and humans would be competing for some resources that help them propagate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The importance of rights-respecting robots at Overcoming Bias. I comment:  If robots better at self-propagating will own the future, shouldn’t humans see any robot propagation as a threat, assuming robots and humans would be competing for some resources that help them propagate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: We will all be doing &#8216;the robot&#8217; on the dance floor in a few years &#171; Mike Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>We will all be doing &#8216;the robot&#8217; on the dance floor in a few years &#171; Mike Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] would seem to have the advantage given their flexibility relative to humans. Robin writes: Do you see Mormon reproduction today as threatening to make you lose a zero-sum game and so want to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] would seem to have the advantage given their flexibility relative to humans. Robin writes: Do you see Mormon reproduction today as threatening to make you lose a zero-sum game and so want to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Kenny</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/prefer-law-to-values.html#comment-463243</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 00:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for clarity, when i say, &quot;my argument above and in the response to robin directly below&quot;--i mean my first two comments in this comment section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for clarity, when i say, &#8220;my argument above and in the response to robin directly below&#8221;&#8211;i mean my first two comments in this comment section.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Kenny</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/prefer-law-to-values.html#comment-463241</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 00:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m randomly recalling &lt;a href=&quot;http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/7173.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this chicago boyz blog post&lt;/a&gt;.  i think that chicago boyz post influenced my argument above and in the response to robin directly below, or substantially is the argument above and in the response to robin directly below, and so i&#039;d like to give credit to the chicago boyz post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m randomly recalling <a href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/7173.html" rel="nofollow">this chicago boyz blog post</a>.  i think that chicago boyz post influenced my argument above and in the response to robin directly below, or substantially is the argument above and in the response to robin directly below, and so i&#8217;d like to give credit to the chicago boyz post.</p>
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		<title>By: Carinthium</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/prefer-law-to-values.html#comment-461102</link>
		<dc:creator>Carinthium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Programming them to be very different from humans and thus not selfish to the core?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Programming them to be very different from humans and thus not selfish to the core?</p>
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		<title>By: Everyone else prefers laws to values &#171; Meteuphoric</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/prefer-law-to-values.html#comment-435545</link>
		<dc:creator>Everyone else prefers laws to values &#171; Meteuphoric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hanson says that it is more important to have laws than shared values. I agree with him when ‘shared [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hanson says that it is more important to have laws than shared values. I agree with him when ‘shared [...]</p>
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		<title>By: richard silliker</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/prefer-law-to-values.html#comment-435364</link>
		<dc:creator>richard silliker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the smaller think they are &quot;free&quot; and they will work harder.  Value that larger nations and corporations desire is best achieved with bullshit rather than guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the smaller think they are &#8220;free&#8221; and they will work harder.  Value that larger nations and corporations desire is best achieved with bullshit rather than guns.</p>
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		<title>By: Katayev</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/prefer-law-to-values.html#comment-435359</link>
		<dc:creator>Katayev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are more slaves now, right now, in &quot;our world&quot;, than there have ever been before in history - the odds are overwhelming that where you are now you have a possession within arm&#039;s reach that was made by de facto if not de jure slave labor. If you count coercive wage slavery, probably pretty much everything within arm&#039;s reach was.

Just the same, war is roughly a constant, and I&#039;m struggling to think of any country anywhere that is not at war, has not seen a war within the current generation, or at least hasn&#039;t been disrupted by refugees fleeing a war. The state of law and of human society today is one where the wealthy and powerful are &lt;em&gt;continually&lt;/em&gt; exploiting and massacring their lessers. In the &lt;em&gt;middle-class American&lt;/em&gt; world, i.e. the insular habitat of the globally most wealthy and powerful, war and genocide are something that happens to other people and slavery ended with Lincoln. There&#039;s a reason singularitarians are almost to a man wealthy first-world white people, nobody else could convince themselves that the massive social disruption of an outbreak of hostile alien intelligence would pan out like an HOA meeting about appropriate lawn length.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are more slaves now, right now, in &#8220;our world&#8221;, than there have ever been before in history &#8211; the odds are overwhelming that where you are now you have a possession within arm&#8217;s reach that was made by de facto if not de jure slave labor. If you count coercive wage slavery, probably pretty much everything within arm&#8217;s reach was.</p>
<p>Just the same, war is roughly a constant, and I&#8217;m struggling to think of any country anywhere that is not at war, has not seen a war within the current generation, or at least hasn&#8217;t been disrupted by refugees fleeing a war. The state of law and of human society today is one where the wealthy and powerful are <em>continually</em> exploiting and massacring their lessers. In the <em>middle-class American</em> world, i.e. the insular habitat of the globally most wealthy and powerful, war and genocide are something that happens to other people and slavery ended with Lincoln. There&#8217;s a reason singularitarians are almost to a man wealthy first-world white people, nobody else could convince themselves that the massive social disruption of an outbreak of hostile alien intelligence would pan out like an HOA meeting about appropriate lawn length.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine a large community that is almost uniformly very wealthy, very educated, and very mono-racial.

By long-standing historical quirk, embedded in a corner of this community is a small ghetto, also mono-racial, but a different race.  The ghetto only exists through the acquiescence of the surrounding community, which pays for the ghetto directly (via Section 8 and other subsidies) and indirectly (by not seizing the valuable land on which it sits).  The ghetto contributes almost nothing to the larger community&#039;s economy or culture or governance, but provides almost all its serious crime.  

Attitudes in the wealthy host community vary.  Some appreciate this element of diversity.  Some are conflicted.  Many resent it, and would be delighted if somehow the ghetto would just go away.  They wouldn&#039;t burn it down, mind you, but they&#039;d happily use every legal means to encourage its disappearance.  A few would be willing to go further.  They all agree that housing is so expensive, their kids may never have the chance to move back to the community they grew up in, and that breaks their hearts.

Attitudes in the ghetto range from complacency to hopelessness to angry resentment -- no visible gratitude.

Of course the people involved all share our values -- &lt;em&gt;they&#039;re us.&lt;/em&gt;  So we already know what happens when a highly productive community hosts an entrenched pocket of the unproductive.

(This is not a thought experiment: I&#039;m describing where I live.)

Now replace the wealthy community with AIs, and replace the ghetto with the sort of &quot;retired&quot; humans Robin hopefully describes.

&lt;em&gt;Even if the AIs mirrored our values flawlessly, why would relations be any smoother?&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine a large community that is almost uniformly very wealthy, very educated, and very mono-racial.</p>
<p>By long-standing historical quirk, embedded in a corner of this community is a small ghetto, also mono-racial, but a different race.  The ghetto only exists through the acquiescence of the surrounding community, which pays for the ghetto directly (via Section 8 and other subsidies) and indirectly (by not seizing the valuable land on which it sits).  The ghetto contributes almost nothing to the larger community&#8217;s economy or culture or governance, but provides almost all its serious crime.  </p>
<p>Attitudes in the wealthy host community vary.  Some appreciate this element of diversity.  Some are conflicted.  Many resent it, and would be delighted if somehow the ghetto would just go away.  They wouldn&#8217;t burn it down, mind you, but they&#8217;d happily use every legal means to encourage its disappearance.  A few would be willing to go further.  They all agree that housing is so expensive, their kids may never have the chance to move back to the community they grew up in, and that breaks their hearts.</p>
<p>Attitudes in the ghetto range from complacency to hopelessness to angry resentment &#8212; no visible gratitude.</p>
<p>Of course the people involved all share our values &#8212; <em>they&#8217;re us.</em>  So we already know what happens when a highly productive community hosts an entrenched pocket of the unproductive.</p>
<p>(This is not a thought experiment: I&#8217;m describing where I live.)</p>
<p>Now replace the wealthy community with AIs, and replace the ghetto with the sort of &#8220;retired&#8221; humans Robin hopefully describes.</p>
<p><em>Even if the AIs mirrored our values flawlessly, why would relations be any smoother?</em></p>
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		<title>By: JIMMY AKIN.ORG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JIMMY AKIN.ORG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What Kind of Robot Do You Want?...&lt;/strong&gt;

That&#039;s the question blogger and transhumanist economist Robin Hanson asked his class recently. He writes: On Tuesday I asked my law &amp; econ undergrads what sort of future robots (AIs computers etc.) they would want, if they could have any......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What Kind of Robot Do You Want?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>That&#8217;s the question blogger and transhumanist economist Robin Hanson asked his class recently. He writes: On Tuesday I asked my law &amp; econ undergrads what sort of future robots (AIs computers etc.) they would want, if they could have any&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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