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		<title>By: Dan Egan</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/experts-reluctant-to-disagree.html#comment-442841</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Egan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry - but did you miss the second half of the paragraph? 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Third, our respondents’ perceptions regarding market efficiency are almost entirely unrelated to their trading behavior. Fourth, the investment objectives of professors are, instead, largely driven by the same behavioral factor as for amateur investors – one’s confidence in his own abilities to beat the market, independent of his opinion of market efficiency.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Finance professors might say they believe in EMH, but their behaviour says otherwise. They seem to believe that &quot;The market is efficient for everyone except me.&quot;

Put conversely, all the active traders, hedge fund managers, prop desk traders etc might agree as much as finance profs that &quot;markets are efficient&quot;, but that doesn&#039;t stop them from going to work in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry &#8211; but did you miss the second half of the paragraph? </p>
<blockquote><p>Third, our respondents’ perceptions regarding market efficiency are almost entirely unrelated to their trading behavior. Fourth, the investment objectives of professors are, instead, largely driven by the same behavioral factor as for amateur investors – one’s confidence in his own abilities to beat the market, independent of his opinion of market efficiency.</p></blockquote>
<p>Finance professors might say they believe in EMH, but their behaviour says otherwise. They seem to believe that &#8220;The market is efficient for everyone except me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Put conversely, all the active traders, hedge fund managers, prop desk traders etc might agree as much as finance profs that &#8220;markets are efficient&#8221;, but that doesn&#8217;t stop them from going to work in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul J</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/experts-reluctant-to-disagree.html#comment-435253</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon,

Not saying I don&#039;t believe you, I just have never heard of what you claim (I haven&#039;t done a lot of research on it).  Do you know of any online articles or papers that explain this, google has failed me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon,</p>
<p>Not saying I don&#8217;t believe you, I just have never heard of what you claim (I haven&#8217;t done a lot of research on it).  Do you know of any online articles or papers that explain this, google has failed me.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul J</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/experts-reluctant-to-disagree.html#comment-435219</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew,

That&#039;s not the correct probablity to look for.  Since you are trying to argue that since you (1 person) has had 60 straight days of gains, the EMH is flawed; you need to find the chance that at least 1 person would have had such luck since the stock market was created.  I don&#039;t feel like doing the math, but the odds are a ton higher than 1 in 2^60.

I fake traded also and out of 60 days probably had 40 gains.  The probablity of my exact results happening (gaining the days i gained and losing the same days i lost) is 1 in 2^60 also, but that doesn&#039;t really mean anything</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the correct probablity to look for.  Since you are trying to argue that since you (1 person) has had 60 straight days of gains, the EMH is flawed; you need to find the chance that at least 1 person would have had such luck since the stock market was created.  I don&#8217;t feel like doing the math, but the odds are a ton higher than 1 in 2^60.</p>
<p>I fake traded also and out of 60 days probably had 40 gains.  The probablity of my exact results happening (gaining the days i gained and losing the same days i lost) is 1 in 2^60 also, but that doesn&#8217;t really mean anything</p>
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		<title>By: ted</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/experts-reluctant-to-disagree.html#comment-435131</link>
		<dc:creator>ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused, you&#039;re just fake trading.  You&#039;re not actually *up* any money.  What are you bragging about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused, you&#8217;re just fake trading.  You&#8217;re not actually *up* any money.  What are you bragging about?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All, according to the EMH theory, daytraders are mostly compensated for providing liquidity.  Most daytraders use simple strategies based on market microstructure; they don&#039;t try to improve on the market&#039;s evaluation of fundamental values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All, according to the EMH theory, daytraders are mostly compensated for providing liquidity.  Most daytraders use simple strategies based on market microstructure; they don&#8217;t try to improve on the market&#8217;s evaluation of fundamental values.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew C.</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/experts-reluctant-to-disagree.html#comment-435083</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

I am daytrading the emini S&amp;P 500 contract many times per day, and haven&#039;t had a losing day in 3 months.  According to EMH theory I am just supremely lucky (let&#039;s say I only traded 60 days out of the past 90 due to vacation and holidays and weekends, and the average trading win/loss percentage over a day is a coin flip -- that would make my performance possible by chance at 1 in 2^60, or 1 in 1,152,921,504,606,846,976).  I don&#039;t think so. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>I am daytrading the emini S&amp;P 500 contract many times per day, and haven&#8217;t had a losing day in 3 months.  According to EMH theory I am just supremely lucky (let&#8217;s say I only traded 60 days out of the past 90 due to vacation and holidays and weekends, and the average trading win/loss percentage over a day is a coin flip &#8212; that would make my performance possible by chance at 1 in 2^60, or 1 in 1,152,921,504,606,846,976).  I don&#8217;t think so. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Overcoming Bias : Finance Profs Won’t Bet -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/experts-reluctant-to-disagree.html#comment-435053</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Overcoming Bias : Finance Profs Won’t Bet -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by dennisdemori and David Walker, Tony Cookson. Tony Cookson said: Reading: Robin Hanson says &quot;Most Finance Profs don&#039;t bet&quot; http://tinyurl.com/yhpr44a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by dennisdemori and David Walker, Tony Cookson. Tony Cookson said: Reading: Robin Hanson says &quot;Most Finance Profs don&#39;t bet&quot; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yhpr44a" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yhpr44a</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Koslover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Koslover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there are &lt;em&gt;some &lt;/em&gt;I would trust to do that.  Not many, but definitely &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there are <em>some </em>I would trust to do that.  Not many, but definitely <em>some</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: James Andrix</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/experts-reluctant-to-disagree.html#comment-435028</link>
		<dc:creator>James Andrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you trust them to design an antenna without oversight if the cost of the design was most of your net worth? And if they would have no way to give the money back if they failed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you trust them to design an antenna without oversight if the cost of the design was most of your net worth? And if they would have no way to give the money back if they failed?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe they just mean they ran a regression trying to predict each person&#039;s trading behavior based on their perceptions of market efficiency, and found that their respondents are no more (or only slightly more) likely to actively invest if they believe markets are less efficient.  They&#039;re not saying &quot;it doesn&#039;t make sense that this group would passively invest while believing in weak or semi-strong EFT,&quot; they&#039;re saying &quot;beliefs in EFT were not a powerful predictor of investment behavior for individuals within this group.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe they just mean they ran a regression trying to predict each person&#8217;s trading behavior based on their perceptions of market efficiency, and found that their respondents are no more (or only slightly more) likely to actively invest if they believe markets are less efficient.  They&#8217;re not saying &#8220;it doesn&#8217;t make sense that this group would passively invest while believing in weak or semi-strong EFT,&#8221; they&#8217;re saying &#8220;beliefs in EFT were not a powerful predictor of investment behavior for individuals within this group.&#8221;</p>
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