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		<title>By: mravery</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/for-med-free-speech.html#comment-434229</link>
		<dc:creator>mravery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More accurately, the government could regulate what the &quot;marriage&quot; says, not what the individuals involved in the marriage say. At this point, most marriages don&#039;t have spokespeople, so this is not a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More accurately, the government could regulate what the &#8220;marriage&#8221; says, not what the individuals involved in the marriage say. At this point, most marriages don&#8217;t have spokespeople, so this is not a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Overcoming Bias : In Praise Of Extortion</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/for-med-free-speech.html#comment-434088</link>
		<dc:creator>Overcoming Bias : In Praise Of Extortion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] horrid criminals, those who would seek financial gain by exposing celebrity sex lies.  Good thing we also have whistle blower laws giving large financial rewards to heroic citizens who expose drug companies who [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] horrid criminals, those who would seek financial gain by exposing celebrity sex lies.  Good thing we also have whistle blower laws giving large financial rewards to heroic citizens who expose drug companies who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/for-med-free-speech.html#comment-432595</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juan Pablo,

I like how you give no explanation, no examples... nothing. Maybe I should employ this method next debate I have. Instead of stating counter-arguments, or attacking one&#039;s logic, I&#039;ll instead just spin some silly insult about space and whatnot, and list half a dozen countries with several of them misspelled (Rwanda*, Russia*).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan Pablo,</p>
<p>I like how you give no explanation, no examples&#8230; nothing. Maybe I should employ this method next debate I have. Instead of stating counter-arguments, or attacking one&#8217;s logic, I&#8217;ll instead just spin some silly insult about space and whatnot, and list half a dozen countries with several of them misspelled (Rwanda*, Russia*).</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/for-med-free-speech.html#comment-432541</link>
		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, some drug companies lie.  Fraud is illegal.  But the law also makes &lt;b&gt;true&lt;/b&gt; statements illegal.

An analogy:

&quot;Some corporations and newspapers and people commit slander and libel.  Therefore, to prevent this, only op-eds and books judged as true by government censors can be published.  Don&#039;t worry, we&#039;ll have an independent body of experts judge them.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, some drug companies lie.  Fraud is illegal.  But the law also makes <b>true</b> statements illegal.</p>
<p>An analogy:</p>
<p>&#8220;Some corporations and newspapers and people commit slander and libel.  Therefore, to prevent this, only op-eds and books judged as true by government censors can be published.  Don&#8217;t worry, we&#8217;ll have an independent body of experts judge them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/for-med-free-speech.html#comment-432540</link>
		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Regarding “off-label” use, there is a reason it is off-label, the claims has not been proven through clinical trials.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Untrue.  Look up the clinical studies on prazosin and treating nightmares from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.  It&#039;s been proven by independent research to anyone&#039;s scientific standard; it&#039;s just not approved for that use because of how expensive and time-consuming it is to get through the FDA process.

So the Dept. of Veterans Affairs sort-of officially recommends the off-label use, except that they can&#039;t entirely do that legally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Regarding “off-label” use, there is a reason it is off-label, the claims has not been proven through clinical trials.</p></blockquote>
<p>Untrue.  Look up the clinical studies on prazosin and treating nightmares from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.  It&#8217;s been proven by independent research to anyone&#8217;s scientific standard; it&#8217;s just not approved for that use because of how expensive and time-consuming it is to get through the FDA process.</p>
<p>So the Dept. of Veterans Affairs sort-of officially recommends the off-label use, except that they can&#8217;t entirely do that legally.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/for-med-free-speech.html#comment-432517</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left out some of the story, as below.  Your faith in the benevolence of drug corporations is touching.  Read your history.  Laws of this sort were passed for a reason--pharmeceutical fraud was rife before they existed--and exit in more stringent form in other developed countries.

The Pfizer unit Pharmacia &amp; Upjohn pleaded guilty to a single felony charge that accused the company of marketing its anti-inflammatory drug Bextra for broader uses and higher dosages than those approved by the Food and Drug Administration. 

The company allegedly enticed doctors to prescribe the drug for pain relief by taking them on lavish trips, created sham requests for medical information as an excuse to send unsolicited advertising materials to physicians, and drafted articles promoting the pills without disclosing its role in preparing the stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left out some of the story, as below.  Your faith in the benevolence of drug corporations is touching.  Read your history.  Laws of this sort were passed for a reason&#8211;pharmeceutical fraud was rife before they existed&#8211;and exit in more stringent form in other developed countries.</p>
<p>The Pfizer unit Pharmacia &amp; Upjohn pleaded guilty to a single felony charge that accused the company of marketing its anti-inflammatory drug Bextra for broader uses and higher dosages than those approved by the Food and Drug Administration. </p>
<p>The company allegedly enticed doctors to prescribe the drug for pain relief by taking them on lavish trips, created sham requests for medical information as an excuse to send unsolicited advertising materials to physicians, and drafted articles promoting the pills without disclosing its role in preparing the stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Overcoming Bias : Alternate Free Speech Histories</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/for-med-free-speech.html#comment-432407</link>
		<dc:creator>Overcoming Bias : Alternate Free Speech Histories</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 01:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] most of us that we should not be allowed to listen to non-media firms, regarding elections or off-label drug uses.  We believe those we are allowed to hear when they tell us that we should not be allowed to hear [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] most of us that we should not be allowed to listen to non-media firms, regarding elections or off-label drug uses.  We believe those we are allowed to hear when they tell us that we should not be allowed to hear [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/for-med-free-speech.html#comment-432341</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;off-label&quot; ONLY means that the drug is not approved for a given use.  It does not mean that claims are unproven.

If the use of a drug to treat a certain condition is not proven through clinical trials... the answer sometimes should be, &quot;so what&quot;?  Take a look at modafinil, for example.  It is known to be an effective treatment for many of the same conditions for which amphetamine/methylphenidate are approved, but modafinil does so with less side effects.  Modafinil is also believed to have less of a potential for abuse.  But modafinil is not approved for some of the conditions it can treat.  (on the other hand, this means that more people get prescriptions for methylphenidate and amphetamine - which are available as cheap generic drugs.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;off-label&#8221; ONLY means that the drug is not approved for a given use.  It does not mean that claims are unproven.</p>
<p>If the use of a drug to treat a certain condition is not proven through clinical trials&#8230; the answer sometimes should be, &#8220;so what&#8221;?  Take a look at modafinil, for example.  It is known to be an effective treatment for many of the same conditions for which amphetamine/methylphenidate are approved, but modafinil does so with less side effects.  Modafinil is also believed to have less of a potential for abuse.  But modafinil is not approved for some of the conditions it can treat.  (on the other hand, this means that more people get prescriptions for methylphenidate and amphetamine &#8211; which are available as cheap generic drugs.)</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/for-med-free-speech.html#comment-432338</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some individuals have tried to get around gun laws by saying they have formed their own militias, and such arguments have been rejected by courts which claim the National Guard has superseded all militia. Corporations DO own guns obviously: how can a gun manufacturer (or retailer) sell guns if it doesn&#039;t own them in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some individuals have tried to get around gun laws by saying they have formed their own militias, and such arguments have been rejected by courts which claim the National Guard has superseded all militia. Corporations DO own guns obviously: how can a gun manufacturer (or retailer) sell guns if it doesn&#8217;t own them in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/for-med-free-speech.html#comment-432337</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free-speech is the transmitting of any ideas, my blog comments are not subject to Authenticity Police.

Newspapers, television stations and schools all pay people to transmit information, often with those paying the piper calling the tune. The first amendment covers freedom of the press as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free-speech is the transmitting of any ideas, my blog comments are not subject to Authenticity Police.</p>
<p>Newspapers, television stations and schools all pay people to transmit information, often with those paying the piper calling the tune. The first amendment covers freedom of the press as well.</p>
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