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	<title>Comments on: Women Prefer Poaching</title>
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		<title>By: fyi</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/women-prefer-poaching.html#comment-432433</link>
		<dc:creator>fyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This study was of college undergraduates ONLY.  Cute study, but essentially worthless as to what [all] women want/desire.  College kids are generally more promiscuous - which this study may confirm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This study was of college undergraduates ONLY.  Cute study, but essentially worthless as to what [all] women want/desire.  College kids are generally more promiscuous &#8211; which this study may confirm.</p>
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		<title>By: Master Dogen</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/women-prefer-poaching.html#comment-431571</link>
		<dc:creator>Master Dogen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can be helpful, when reading results like these and thinking about certain human dynamics, to pretend there are really three genders: Females, Alpha males and Beta males.

In most human societies until the advent of birth control and hygeinic abortion, about 80-90% of women reproduced in each generation, whereas around 40-50% of men did. (You have many more female ancestors than you have male ancestors.) As long as a woman is healthy, she is deemed a candidate for reproduction, whereas a man has to meet much higher standards to get a woman to commit the serious resources it costs her to bear and care for children.

A man with another woman is more likely to be Alpha, very obviously. The best reproductive strategy for a woman is to get the committmentt of a Beta male, and the sperm of an Alpha. Her children will be cared for by the Beta and her sons will be more likely to be Alpha themselves and therefore reproduce. This is genetically and economically maximal.

It&#039;s very risky socially, of course. If the ruse is discovered, she risks ostracization and maybe even death (via jealous husband). So this acts as a cap on female behavior of this kind, but the rewards for this behavior are also very high and so it remains as a viable strategy.

It&#039;s an even better strategy if women remain utterly baffled as to their own behavior. Hence the proliferation of just-so stories that justify women&#039;s poaching instincts, or explanations which manage to shift the blame for poaching behavior back onto the man, or &quot;self-esteem issues&quot; or other betes-noires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be helpful, when reading results like these and thinking about certain human dynamics, to pretend there are really three genders: Females, Alpha males and Beta males.</p>
<p>In most human societies until the advent of birth control and hygeinic abortion, about 80-90% of women reproduced in each generation, whereas around 40-50% of men did. (You have many more female ancestors than you have male ancestors.) As long as a woman is healthy, she is deemed a candidate for reproduction, whereas a man has to meet much higher standards to get a woman to commit the serious resources it costs her to bear and care for children.</p>
<p>A man with another woman is more likely to be Alpha, very obviously. The best reproductive strategy for a woman is to get the committmentt of a Beta male, and the sperm of an Alpha. Her children will be cared for by the Beta and her sons will be more likely to be Alpha themselves and therefore reproduce. This is genetically and economically maximal.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very risky socially, of course. If the ruse is discovered, she risks ostracization and maybe even death (via jealous husband). So this acts as a cap on female behavior of this kind, but the rewards for this behavior are also very high and so it remains as a viable strategy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an even better strategy if women remain utterly baffled as to their own behavior. Hence the proliferation of just-so stories that justify women&#8217;s poaching instincts, or explanations which manage to shift the blame for poaching behavior back onto the man, or &#8220;self-esteem issues&#8221; or other betes-noires.</p>
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		<title>By: Enginerd</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/women-prefer-poaching.html#comment-431471</link>
		<dc:creator>Enginerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sample size was 150 people, all undergraduates at the college in which the experiment was done.  Like many psychology experiments, it&#039;s difficult to draw any conclusions when the sample size is so low.

Also, I&#039;d like to know (wasn&#039;t mentioned in the paper) what else the woman was told about the man.  Usually in studies like this they mention 10 attributes so the attention is not brought to the one they&#039;re studying.  They could&#039;ve done height, hobbies, background,or whatever.  Maybe they did do this right, but it&#039;s not mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sample size was 150 people, all undergraduates at the college in which the experiment was done.  Like many psychology experiments, it&#8217;s difficult to draw any conclusions when the sample size is so low.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;d like to know (wasn&#8217;t mentioned in the paper) what else the woman was told about the man.  Usually in studies like this they mention 10 attributes so the attention is not brought to the one they&#8217;re studying.  They could&#8217;ve done height, hobbies, background,or whatever.  Maybe they did do this right, but it&#8217;s not mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Z. M. Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/women-prefer-poaching.html#comment-431449</link>
		<dc:creator>Z. M. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Why do blogs written about male and female relationships always get like three times as many comments?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Gender is the mind-killer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Why do blogs written about male and female relationships always get like three times as many comments?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Gender is the mind-killer.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-08-12 &#124; Acervus</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/women-prefer-poaching.html#comment-431442</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-08-12 &#124; Acervus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Overcoming Bias : Women Prefer Poaching [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Katja Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/women-prefer-poaching.html#comment-431438</link>
		<dc:creator>Katja Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a man or a woman makes everyone feel expert on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a man or a woman makes everyone feel expert on it.</p>
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		<title>By: bcg</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/women-prefer-poaching.html#comment-431434</link>
		<dc:creator>bcg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this comment is added to every blog post on the Internet that quotes a study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this comment is added to every blog post on the Internet that quotes a study.</p>
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		<title>By: shallowman</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/women-prefer-poaching.html#comment-431432</link>
		<dc:creator>shallowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always had a girlfriend of some sort in high school and college.  The woman who I married once asked me why whenever a period of time came up in past and she asked me who my girlfriend was, I always had an answer.  I told her that if there was not any woman in particular I wanted, I would date the girls that came after me.  When she asked me why, I told her that I had figured out that when I wanted to go after a girl, they were always more interested in me knowing that I had a girlfriend already.  I think in the woman&#039;s mind, that fact puts a minimum fitness on the man, thinking well how bad can he be if someone else likes him now.  

Anyhow always worked for, and it generally meant I got some sex on a regular basis even when not deeply attracted to a particular woman at the time.  Before you think too poorly of me, I have been married for 23 years and have never strayed.  Not once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always had a girlfriend of some sort in high school and college.  The woman who I married once asked me why whenever a period of time came up in past and she asked me who my girlfriend was, I always had an answer.  I told her that if there was not any woman in particular I wanted, I would date the girls that came after me.  When she asked me why, I told her that I had figured out that when I wanted to go after a girl, they were always more interested in me knowing that I had a girlfriend already.  I think in the woman&#8217;s mind, that fact puts a minimum fitness on the man, thinking well how bad can he be if someone else likes him now.  </p>
<p>Anyhow always worked for, and it generally meant I got some sex on a regular basis even when not deeply attracted to a particular woman at the time.  Before you think too poorly of me, I have been married for 23 years and have never strayed.  Not once.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug S.</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/women-prefer-poaching.html#comment-431430</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of a joke I once read.

Q) Why did the economist turn down the man&#039;s offer of a date?
A) Because he was single.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a joke I once read.</p>
<p>Q) Why did the economist turn down the man&#8217;s offer of a date?<br />
A) Because he was single.</p>
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		<title>By: zembla</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/women-prefer-poaching.html#comment-431429</link>
		<dc:creator>zembla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t the results of the poaching study be interpreted to indicate women (unconsciosly?) view attached men as more likely to commit than the unattached?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t the results of the poaching study be interpreted to indicate women (unconsciosly?) view attached men as more likely to commit than the unattached?</p>
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