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		<title>By: Health care reform &#171; N=1</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/why-does-pharma-study-placebos.html#comment-432645</link>
		<dc:creator>Health care reform &#171; N=1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might look more effective in research publications than they really.  See here, here and here for a few examples.  This suggests to me that we are probably spending way too much on useless [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] might look more effective in research publications than they really.  See here, here and here for a few examples.  This suggests to me that we are probably spending way too much on useless [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/why-does-pharma-study-placebos.html#comment-432188</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble with your argument is that placebos are known to be effective.  There is actual medical value to prescribing a placebo ... particularly if the person is non-responsive to existing antibiotics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with your argument is that placebos are known to be effective.  There is actual medical value to prescribing a placebo &#8230; particularly if the person is non-responsive to existing antibiotics.</p>
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		<title>By: marianasoffer</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/why-does-pharma-study-placebos.html#comment-432038</link>
		<dc:creator>marianasoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you know that:The proportion of Americans using antidepressants in a given year nearly doubled from 5.8% in 1996 to 10.1% in 2005. APalling, big pharma wom.
Maybe it is due to the placebo efect, cause they are afraid that is is shown to the public that other things work.
Some think it is the process of administering it. It is thought that the touching, the caring, the attention, and other interpersonal communication that is part of the controlled study process (or the therapeutic setting), along with the hopefulness and encouragement provided by the experimenter/healer, affect the mood, expectations, and beliefs of the subject, which in turn triggers physical changes such as release of endorphins, catecholamines, cortisol, or adrenaline. The process reduces stress by providing hope or reducing uncertainty about what treatment to take or what the outcome will be. The reduction in stress prevents or slows down further harmful physical changes from occurring. The healing situation provokes a conditioned response. The patient&#039;s been healed before by the doctor (or thinks she&#039;s been healed before by the doctor) and expects to be healed again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that:The proportion of Americans using antidepressants in a given year nearly doubled from 5.8% in 1996 to 10.1% in 2005. APalling, big pharma wom.<br />
Maybe it is due to the placebo efect, cause they are afraid that is is shown to the public that other things work.<br />
Some think it is the process of administering it. It is thought that the touching, the caring, the attention, and other interpersonal communication that is part of the controlled study process (or the therapeutic setting), along with the hopefulness and encouragement provided by the experimenter/healer, affect the mood, expectations, and beliefs of the subject, which in turn triggers physical changes such as release of endorphins, catecholamines, cortisol, or adrenaline. The process reduces stress by providing hope or reducing uncertainty about what treatment to take or what the outcome will be. The reduction in stress prevents or slows down further harmful physical changes from occurring. The healing situation provokes a conditioned response. The patient&#8217;s been healed before by the doctor (or thinks she&#8217;s been healed before by the doctor) and expects to be healed again.</p>
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		<title>By: A different Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/why-does-pharma-study-placebos.html#comment-432006</link>
		<dc:creator>A different Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bellisaurius

Doctor&#039;s cannot prescribe placebos as it is considered unethical to prescribe an inactive compound. As you say, we often will give innocuous medications or change to another drug in the same class if the first one doesn&#039;t work which is getting close to placebo.

And anyone who thinks benzos only work as well as placebo has never met a patient with anxiety disorder. Short-term use is very effective, long-term is not.

Alan

There was a great article on the Placebo Effect at Skeptic Magazine here which answers your questions. 

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-05-20#feature</description>
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<p>Doctor&#8217;s cannot prescribe placebos as it is considered unethical to prescribe an inactive compound. As you say, we often will give innocuous medications or change to another drug in the same class if the first one doesn&#8217;t work which is getting close to placebo.</p>
<p>And anyone who thinks benzos only work as well as placebo has never met a patient with anxiety disorder. Short-term use is very effective, long-term is not.</p>
<p>Alan</p>
<p>There was a great article on the Placebo Effect at Skeptic Magazine here which answers your questions. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-05-20#feature" rel="nofollow">http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-05-20#feature</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hollerith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Hollerith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the system is too risk-averse; it takes way too long for important drugs to be approved&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps so, but that is no reason for a drug to get approved if its sponsor is willing to defraud the FDA and denied it if its sponsor is unwilling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the system is too risk-averse; it takes way too long for important drugs to be approved</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps so, but that is no reason for a drug to get approved if its sponsor is willing to defraud the FDA and denied it if its sponsor is unwilling.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pain and the resulting suffering are actually distinct neurological phenomena, although they are typically strongly coupled in neurologically intact people. Pain is a pure informational damage-report sent to the brain. This signal is processed by the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_cortex&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;insular cortex&lt;/a&gt;, a brain structure that handles many functions related to homeostasis and emotion. People with &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_asymbolia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pain asymbolia&lt;/a&gt; perceive and recognize pain but do not suffer from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pain and the resulting suffering are actually distinct neurological phenomena, although they are typically strongly coupled in neurologically intact people. Pain is a pure informational damage-report sent to the brain. This signal is processed by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_cortex" rel="nofollow">insular cortex</a>, a brain structure that handles many functions related to homeostasis and emotion. People with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_asymbolia" rel="nofollow">pain asymbolia</a> perceive and recognize pain but do not suffer from it.</p>
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		<title>By: false symmetry</title>
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		<dc:creator>false symmetry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Gaming the system (Big Pharma edition)...&lt;/strong&gt;


You can understand why big-pharmaceutical industries would be interested in studying the placebo effect. In order to fabricate good medicines, the effects have to be real&#8230; in the sense that the healing effects are not simply due to psychological...</description>
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<p>You can understand why big-pharmaceutical industries would be interested in studying the placebo effect. In order to fabricate good medicines, the effects have to be real&#8230; in the sense that the healing effects are not simply due to psychological&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Crowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Crowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The placebo responsiveness of pain makes me wonder what the function of pain is. Analogising the human body to a warship I&#039;ve always thought of pain as like the warning lights on the damage control panel. When Alpha Turret is on fire the Alpha-Turret-Fire light is on (and boy does that hurt). When the damage control crew extinguish the fire, the light goes out and the pain stops.

But maybe pain is higher up the chain of command. Damage control reports are fused with an appreciation of the tactical situation to produce pain that modulates behaviour in the obvious way without being impossible to over-ride if the strategic situation demands it. So after a hit on Alpha Turret the Alpha-Turret-Fire light comes on. Another hit starts a fire close to the magazine. Then the Alpha-Turret-Fire light goes out; Alpha Turret is still on fire but the tactical situation demands that damage control crews go to fight the fire threatening the magazine. Perhaps the captain will over-rule this, unless the forward turret can be brought back into action the approaching enemy torpedo boat will sink the ship anyway.

Scuttling the nautical metaphor and returning to the body, pain has an obvious role of modulating behaviour so as to rest an injury and then to gradually bring the affected limb back into use as it heals. Suppose that pain is integrating both the degree of damage and an instinctive estimate of how much rest is a good trade-off between healing and being out of action. Perhaps the instinctive estimate is sophisticated enough to pick up on the idea that the magic medical pill will take care of the healing, so rest is no longer required and activity need not be discouraged. Result: pain relief.

Perhaps placebo effects are sensitive the fine distinction of whether the patient thinks of a pill as paliative or curative. Since it is probably the patients subconscious beliefs that matter to the bodies pain system, this is probably hard to research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The placebo responsiveness of pain makes me wonder what the function of pain is. Analogising the human body to a warship I&#8217;ve always thought of pain as like the warning lights on the damage control panel. When Alpha Turret is on fire the Alpha-Turret-Fire light is on (and boy does that hurt). When the damage control crew extinguish the fire, the light goes out and the pain stops.</p>
<p>But maybe pain is higher up the chain of command. Damage control reports are fused with an appreciation of the tactical situation to produce pain that modulates behaviour in the obvious way without being impossible to over-ride if the strategic situation demands it. So after a hit on Alpha Turret the Alpha-Turret-Fire light comes on. Another hit starts a fire close to the magazine. Then the Alpha-Turret-Fire light goes out; Alpha Turret is still on fire but the tactical situation demands that damage control crews go to fight the fire threatening the magazine. Perhaps the captain will over-rule this, unless the forward turret can be brought back into action the approaching enemy torpedo boat will sink the ship anyway.</p>
<p>Scuttling the nautical metaphor and returning to the body, pain has an obvious role of modulating behaviour so as to rest an injury and then to gradually bring the affected limb back into use as it heals. Suppose that pain is integrating both the degree of damage and an instinctive estimate of how much rest is a good trade-off between healing and being out of action. Perhaps the instinctive estimate is sophisticated enough to pick up on the idea that the magic medical pill will take care of the healing, so rest is no longer required and activity need not be discouraged. Result: pain relief.</p>
<p>Perhaps placebo effects are sensitive the fine distinction of whether the patient thinks of a pill as paliative or curative. Since it is probably the patients subconscious beliefs that matter to the bodies pain system, this is probably hard to research.</p>
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		<title>By: Moonlit Minds - »sketches in the wind« &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for August 27th</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moonlit Minds - »sketches in the wind« &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily Digest for August 27th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why Does Pharma Study Placebos? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Placebo creep can be a real problem

I agree with Ben A&#039;s points. Anxiety, depression, and chronic pain are notable for their degree of placebo responsiveness, as I recall. And that probably goes a long way towards explaining why a diazepam trial could fail to beat placebo.

Variable sensitivity is probably an issue here too, and leads to a lower trial dose. If you hit a set of anxious people with an &quot;elephant dose&quot; of diazepam, they would probably all respond very strongly indeed - but such a dose wouldn&#039;t be appropriate for everyone (would put some to sleep), and wouldn&#039;t be used in the trial.

Perhaps chronic effectiveness is also a problem. The acute efficacy is certainly high but if someone did a trial of chronic use (over a month) it might be hazier due to tolerance.</description>
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<p>I agree with Ben A&#8217;s points. Anxiety, depression, and chronic pain are notable for their degree of placebo responsiveness, as I recall. And that probably goes a long way towards explaining why a diazepam trial could fail to beat placebo.</p>
<p>Variable sensitivity is probably an issue here too, and leads to a lower trial dose. If you hit a set of anxious people with an &#8220;elephant dose&#8221; of diazepam, they would probably all respond very strongly indeed &#8211; but such a dose wouldn&#8217;t be appropriate for everyone (would put some to sleep), and wouldn&#8217;t be used in the trial.</p>
<p>Perhaps chronic effectiveness is also a problem. The acute efficacy is certainly high but if someone did a trial of chronic use (over a month) it might be hazier due to tolerance.</p>
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