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		<title>By: zunguzungu</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/klyde-the-barbarian.html#comment-431724</link>
		<dc:creator>zunguzungu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m struck by how the first paragraph distinguishes between societies in the past and in the present, while the second paragraph distinguishes between poor societies and rich societies. But it&#039;s not true to say that Rich=Advanced and Poor=Backward, however easy a myth that may be. Not that I disagree with the argument of the post, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m struck by how the first paragraph distinguishes between societies in the past and in the present, while the second paragraph distinguishes between poor societies and rich societies. But it&#8217;s not true to say that Rich=Advanced and Poor=Backward, however easy a myth that may be. Not that I disagree with the argument of the post, though.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Forsberg</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/klyde-the-barbarian.html#comment-431717</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Forsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;manhood&quot; generally really means &quot;being a high status male&quot;. A lot of the traits considered necessary for being a &quot;real man&quot; is only really possible if you&#039;re actually near the top of the food chain. For instance, being confident and assertive for a low status man is really difficult for a low status man modulo drugs or some sort of pathology.

Other traits considered masculine are traits relating to relative capacity for violence. Size is very important, but it seems to be in relative terms rather than absolute. It is more important that a man is bigger than other men than any specific measurement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;manhood&#8221; generally really means &#8220;being a high status male&#8221;. A lot of the traits considered necessary for being a &#8220;real man&#8221; is only really possible if you&#8217;re actually near the top of the food chain. For instance, being confident and assertive for a low status man is really difficult for a low status man modulo drugs or some sort of pathology.</p>
<p>Other traits considered masculine are traits relating to relative capacity for violence. Size is very important, but it seems to be in relative terms rather than absolute. It is more important that a man is bigger than other men than any specific measurement.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Lebovitz</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/klyde-the-barbarian.html#comment-431662</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Lebovitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see what happens if we divide gender differences into possibly useful (pushing women to be nurturing and men to be stoic), probably neutral (women wear brighter colors than men), and peacock&#039;s tail (women pushed to be extremely thin, men pushed to be extremely muscular).

It&#039;s plausible that poorer societies will have more practical gender distinctions. In particular, they&#039;re less likely to push any trait to extremes.

For example, a lot of women suffer from extreme perfectionism. It&#039;s plausible that a poorer society would focus on doing one&#039;s tasks well enough to get good results rather than having standards which are impossible to achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see what happens if we divide gender differences into possibly useful (pushing women to be nurturing and men to be stoic), probably neutral (women wear brighter colors than men), and peacock&#8217;s tail (women pushed to be extremely thin, men pushed to be extremely muscular).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s plausible that poorer societies will have more practical gender distinctions. In particular, they&#8217;re less likely to push any trait to extremes.</p>
<p>For example, a lot of women suffer from extreme perfectionism. It&#8217;s plausible that a poorer society would focus on doing one&#8217;s tasks well enough to get good results rather than having standards which are impossible to achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: John Maxwell IV</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/klyde-the-barbarian.html#comment-431652</link>
		<dc:creator>John Maxwell IV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rationality is associated with masculinity, as is playing russian roulette.  And yet I strongly suspect that playing russian roulette is not rational according to the value systems possessed by most men.  Masculinity is not consistent and therefore likely undefinable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rationality is associated with masculinity, as is playing russian roulette.  And yet I strongly suspect that playing russian roulette is not rational according to the value systems possessed by most men.  Masculinity is not consistent and therefore likely undefinable.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnaby Dawson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/klyde-the-barbarian.html#comment-431648</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnaby Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another possibility is that the power of the media is much greater in richer nations and the media certainly reinforce gender stereotypes.

Its an interesting article but is not by itself conclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another possibility is that the power of the media is much greater in richer nations and the media certainly reinforce gender stereotypes.</p>
<p>Its an interesting article but is not by itself conclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Female</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/klyde-the-barbarian.html#comment-431642</link>
		<dc:creator>Female</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or rather, it steadily deteriorates after its early peak, rather than being as volatile as a man&#039;s; with effort a woman may fight the decay and slow the decline, but she&#039;s still creeping downhill. 

Reminds me a little bit of differences in class mobility. (As an unremarkable-looking woman, chasing the masculine dream doesn&#039;t sound so bad.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or rather, it steadily deteriorates after its early peak, rather than being as volatile as a man&#8217;s; with effort a woman may fight the decay and slow the decline, but she&#8217;s still creeping downhill. </p>
<p>Reminds me a little bit of differences in class mobility. (As an unremarkable-looking woman, chasing the masculine dream doesn&#8217;t sound so bad.)</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/klyde-the-barbarian.html#comment-431624</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradley.edu/academics/las/psy/facstaff/schmitt/documents/Schmitt.etal-2008-ISDP-BigFive-SexDiffs-JPSP.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; is the paper.

It observes the effect Phil Goetz predicts: &quot;traditional values&quot; are correlated with low sex differences, but it says this is independent of the wealth effect.

I find bizarre the claim that Africa is the part of the world where men are more conscientious than women.

Here&#039;s a hypothesis I think is worth airing, though I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the answer here: the five factor model is derived from (fairly uniform) rich countries and it may not be appropriate to poor countries. eg, they may have other traits that they care about and use to display sex differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bradley.edu/academics/las/psy/facstaff/schmitt/documents/Schmitt.etal-2008-ISDP-BigFive-SexDiffs-JPSP.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a> is the paper.</p>
<p>It observes the effect Phil Goetz predicts: &#8220;traditional values&#8221; are correlated with low sex differences, but it says this is independent of the wealth effect.</p>
<p>I find bizarre the claim that Africa is the part of the world where men are more conscientious than women.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a hypothesis I think is worth airing, though I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the answer here: the five factor model is derived from (fairly uniform) rich countries and it may not be appropriate to poor countries. eg, they may have other traits that they care about and use to display sex differences.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/klyde-the-barbarian.html#comment-431623</link>
		<dc:creator>jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An example is foot binding in China. Accentuates the differences. Culture works to emphasize dimorphic character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An example is foot binding in China. Accentuates the differences. Culture works to emphasize dimorphic character.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/klyde-the-barbarian.html#comment-431614</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did this more egalitarian arrangement develop first in the West?  More gains from cooperation within marriage?  Greater economic independence or interdependence?  Enhanced or reduced parental control?  Religious influence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did this more egalitarian arrangement develop first in the West?  More gains from cooperation within marriage?  Greater economic independence or interdependence?  Enhanced or reduced parental control?  Religious influence?</p>
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		<title>By: bcg</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/klyde-the-barbarian.html#comment-431609</link>
		<dc:creator>bcg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the risk-taking behavior of men designed to win mates does kill a proportion of them, so when it comes to personal sacrifices to attract a mate, there&#039;s always that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the risk-taking behavior of men designed to win mates does kill a proportion of them, so when it comes to personal sacrifices to attract a mate, there&#8217;s always that.</p>
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