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		<title>By: Overcoming Bias : Come The Em Rev</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/futarchy-in-bbc-focus-mag.html#comment-572862</link>
		<dc:creator>Overcoming Bias : Come The Em Rev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Politics: Futarchy &#8211; The vote on values part can be slow and accountable to a wider world of nervous slow marginals, while the bet on beliefs part could rapidly approve needed changes.  GD Star Ratingloading...     Tagged as: Ems, Finance, Future, Law, Politics   Trackback URL: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Politics: Futarchy &#8211; The vote on values part can be slow and accountable to a wider world of nervous slow marginals, while the bet on beliefs part could rapidly approve needed changes.  GD Star Ratingloading&#8230;     Tagged as: Ems, Finance, Future, Law, Politics   Trackback URL: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Overcoming Bias : Innovation &#62;50% GDP?</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/futarchy-in-bbc-focus-mag.html#comment-483968</link>
		<dc:creator>Overcoming Bias : Innovation &#62;50% GDP?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] they are often terrible. But over the next few centuries, we might just create better institutions (e.g., futarchy) to better encourage institution design, and within those institutions, folks may well [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] they are often terrible. But over the next few centuries, we might just create better institutions (e.g., futarchy) to better encourage institution design, and within those institutions, folks may well [...]</p>
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		<title>By: There’s a persuasive theory underlying Robin Hanson’s proposal&#8230; &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/futarchy-in-bbc-focus-mag.html#comment-431456</link>
		<dc:creator>There’s a persuasive theory underlying Robin Hanson’s proposal&#8230; &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robin Hanson, do act on your proposal &#8212;instead of doing blah blah blah. The flaw(s) in the futarchy idea will appear in plain light, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Robin Hanson, do act on your proposal &#8212;instead of doing blah blah blah. The flaw(s) in the futarchy idea will appear in plain light, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Overcoming Democracy: Hanson&#8217;s Futarchy &#171; Let A Thousand Nations Bloom</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/futarchy-in-bbc-focus-mag.html#comment-431448</link>
		<dc:creator>Overcoming Democracy: Hanson&#8217;s Futarchy &#171; Let A Thousand Nations Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] let us criticize democracy by offering ways of amending it. In a recent, but little commented on post, Robin Hanson does just that. From an article he&#8217;s published in BBC Focus: &#8230;a vast [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] let us criticize democracy by offering ways of amending it. In a recent, but little commented on post, Robin Hanson does just that. From an article he&#8217;s published in BBC Focus: &#8230;a vast [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/futarchy-in-bbc-focus-mag.html#comment-431361</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike you are imagining an extreme worst case, not a typical case, and yes it just has to be better than what we have now.  The mechanism I&#039;m suggesting doesn&#039;t infer things from time changes, so it doesn&#039;t have the interaction problem you imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike you are imagining an extreme worst case, not a typical case, and yes it just has to be better than what we have now.  The mechanism I&#8217;m suggesting doesn&#8217;t infer things from time changes, so it doesn&#8217;t have the interaction problem you imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another problem is disentangling the effects of competing policies.  

For instance, perhaps I propose (and the speculation market agrees) that some form of regulation of some industry will increase some social welfare statistic.  But at the same time someone else proposes (and the speculation market agrees) that some form of industry taxation will increase some social welfare statistic.  If the statistic goes down, it might be very difficult to tell which policy was wrong, or if both were wrong.  It could also be that the statistic goes up, even though one policy was wrong, because the benefits of the other were so great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another problem is disentangling the effects of competing policies.  </p>
<p>For instance, perhaps I propose (and the speculation market agrees) that some form of regulation of some industry will increase some social welfare statistic.  But at the same time someone else proposes (and the speculation market agrees) that some form of industry taxation will increase some social welfare statistic.  If the statistic goes down, it might be very difficult to tell which policy was wrong, or if both were wrong.  It could also be that the statistic goes up, even though one policy was wrong, because the benefits of the other were so great.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/futarchy-in-bbc-focus-mag.html#comment-431357</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like hearing any ideas for new forms of govt, and I find this one interesting.  My main problem is this:  it seems to give too much decision-making power to the wealthy, who have sufficient excess resources to place whimsical bets in the speculative markets.  

I know you argue that, insofar as these speculators are wrong, they lose money and can no longer bet.  But I think in practice this process would act too slowly.  For instance, by the time Bill Gates lost a significant fraction of his fortune he could put enough &quot;noise&quot; into the markets to override thousands of academic experts.  If Bill Gates were a completely rational person and consistently lost money, maybe he would give up early.  But in practice he would win some and lose some, if only by chance, and it&#039;s unclear to what extent his psychology would take this as motivation.  

On the other hand, I guess the system doesn&#039;t have to be perfect -- it just has to be better than what we have.  In our present system, I think, there is an element of speculation:  a firm can lobby and gain political influence in return, and in a sense it determines how much money to spend on lobbying based on its perception of the probability of success and the return.  However, in the present system, the firm makes these bets vis-a-vis its individual benefit, regardless of what is good for other firms are people at large.  In your system, at least the purpose of the bets is to improve some social welfare statistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like hearing any ideas for new forms of govt, and I find this one interesting.  My main problem is this:  it seems to give too much decision-making power to the wealthy, who have sufficient excess resources to place whimsical bets in the speculative markets.  </p>
<p>I know you argue that, insofar as these speculators are wrong, they lose money and can no longer bet.  But I think in practice this process would act too slowly.  For instance, by the time Bill Gates lost a significant fraction of his fortune he could put enough &#8220;noise&#8221; into the markets to override thousands of academic experts.  If Bill Gates were a completely rational person and consistently lost money, maybe he would give up early.  But in practice he would win some and lose some, if only by chance, and it&#8217;s unclear to what extent his psychology would take this as motivation.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, I guess the system doesn&#8217;t have to be perfect &#8212; it just has to be better than what we have.  In our present system, I think, there is an element of speculation:  a firm can lobby and gain political influence in return, and in a sense it determines how much money to spend on lobbying based on its perception of the probability of success and the return.  However, in the present system, the firm makes these bets vis-a-vis its individual benefit, regardless of what is good for other firms are people at large.  In your system, at least the purpose of the bets is to improve some social welfare statistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson wants to use *YOU* as his first Guinea Pig for his futarchy experiment. &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/futarchy-in-bbc-focus-mag.html#comment-431353</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson wants to use *YOU* as his first Guinea Pig for his futarchy experiment. &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the title of the e-mail, state, &#8220;I am your man for your futarchy experiment&#8220;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In the title of the e-mail, state, &#8220;I am your man for your futarchy experiment&#8220;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Is Robin Hanson&#8217;s Futarchy Full Of BullShit? &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/futarchy-in-bbc-focus-mag.html#comment-431346</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Robin Hanson&#8217;s Futarchy Full Of BullShit? &#124; Midas Oracle .ORG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doesn&#8217;t Robin Hanson implement his grandiose idea on a small organization (like George Mason University), as opposed to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/futarchy-in-bbc-focus-mag.html#comment-431344</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you provide it here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you provide it here?</p>
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