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	<title>Comments on: Downturns Are Not Existential Risks</title>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/downturns-are-not-existential-risks.html#comment-440606</link>
		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by MercatusBlogs: Overcoming Bias: Downturns Are Not Existential Risks: Epidemics, wars, and quakes are distributed with long tail.. http://bit.ly/1Dzxm...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by MercatusBlogs: Overcoming Bias: Downturns Are Not Existential Risks: Epidemics, wars, and quakes are distributed with long tail.. <a href="http://bit.ly/1Dzxm.." rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1Dzxm..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the 1918 flu coincided with World War 1, it would be nearly impossible to separate the economic effects of the two of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the 1918 flu coincided with World War 1, it would be nearly impossible to separate the economic effects of the two of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Anders Sandberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anders Sandberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a nice paper, and fits in with some papers I have read that claim stock market price fluctuations have alpha&#039;s around 3. 

However, plenty of natural disasters (and human wars) have mortality alphas between 1 and 2, the domain where the average is undefined and very big disasters are fairly common. There the important question is whether there exist cut-offs (likely for landslides and flooding due to geography, but not guaranteed for epidemics or wars). 

Together, this seems to suggest that while endogenous downturns and crashes occur, they are relatively unlikely to crash the market completely. But it might be exogenous disturbances that we should watch out for, both in terms of mortality and in their market impact. 

Still, the 1918 flu did not seem to have had a very noticeable economic effect - if extremes like that doesn&#039;t show up in the data, maybe the economy is much more resilient than we normally tend to think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a nice paper, and fits in with some papers I have read that claim stock market price fluctuations have alpha&#8217;s around 3. </p>
<p>However, plenty of natural disasters (and human wars) have mortality alphas between 1 and 2, the domain where the average is undefined and very big disasters are fairly common. There the important question is whether there exist cut-offs (likely for landslides and flooding due to geography, but not guaranteed for epidemics or wars). </p>
<p>Together, this seems to suggest that while endogenous downturns and crashes occur, they are relatively unlikely to crash the market completely. But it might be exogenous disturbances that we should watch out for, both in terms of mortality and in their market impact. </p>
<p>Still, the 1918 flu did not seem to have had a very noticeable economic effect &#8211; if extremes like that doesn&#8217;t show up in the data, maybe the economy is much more resilient than we normally tend to think?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The major risk in a downturn is not that the economy will go to zero, but that too many frustrated unemployed people will take down the political system.  

Alternately, the government may sense public outrage and try to distract it with a war.  Since a war, to be useful, would have to be mobilize society, there&#039;s a danger of losing it.  Alternately, the war may be won, building confidence for a later truly stupid war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The major risk in a downturn is not that the economy will go to zero, but that too many frustrated unemployed people will take down the political system.  </p>
<p>Alternately, the government may sense public outrage and try to distract it with a war.  Since a war, to be useful, would have to be mobilize society, there&#8217;s a danger of losing it.  Alternately, the war may be won, building confidence for a later truly stupid war.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua A. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua A. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the paper take into account the possibility that policy strategies directly or indirectly aimed at rectifying a downturn might have long tails?

For example, a country might create a new taxation scheme that is revenue-negative, or go to war, or radically change its regulatory structure, or target a minority for persecution as the downturn&#039;s &#039;cause&#039;, or ignore infrastuctural improvements needed to prevent other disasters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the paper take into account the possibility that policy strategies directly or indirectly aimed at rectifying a downturn might have long tails?</p>
<p>For example, a country might create a new taxation scheme that is revenue-negative, or go to war, or radically change its regulatory structure, or target a minority for persecution as the downturn&#8217;s &#8217;cause&#8217;, or ignore infrastuctural improvements needed to prevent other disasters.</p>
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		<title>By: Willem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So AIG can now start insuring states for epidemics, wars, and quakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So AIG can now start insuring states for epidemics, wars, and quakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess that makes sense, as long as you don&#039;t include economic disasters that are directly caused by things that do have long tails...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess that makes sense, as long as you don&#8217;t include economic disasters that are directly caused by things that do have long tails&#8230;</p>
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