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	<title>Comments on: Exposing Scientist Liberality</title>
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		<title>By: John David Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/if-the-public-knew-scientist-liberality.html#comment-432373</link>
		<dc:creator>John David Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 01:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s more than one political dimension, and there&#039;s more than one kind of science.

Scientists whose living depends on tax-funded grants are indeed selected to favor big government -- both because they want to keep the grant-deciders happy, and because those who feel that tax funding of science is morally wrong will tend not to look for or take those jobs.

Meanwhile, there is a strong correlation between one&#039;s view of economics and one&#039;s political leanings.  Modern economics (the Austrian and Chicago schools) gives a better understanding of how a huge government budget drags down the entire economy than does the discredited Keynesian school, so those who understand the modern kind of econ almost always become conservatives or libertarians.

As a corollary, I suggest that a survey of scientists broad enough to include a lot of scientists who work for private, non-tax-funded organizations will tend to find a more balanced spectrum of political views than one which concentrates on government institutions and the &quot;university-agency complex&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s more than one political dimension, and there&#8217;s more than one kind of science.</p>
<p>Scientists whose living depends on tax-funded grants are indeed selected to favor big government &#8212; both because they want to keep the grant-deciders happy, and because those who feel that tax funding of science is morally wrong will tend not to look for or take those jobs.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, there is a strong correlation between one&#8217;s view of economics and one&#8217;s political leanings.  Modern economics (the Austrian and Chicago schools) gives a better understanding of how a huge government budget drags down the entire economy than does the discredited Keynesian school, so those who understand the modern kind of econ almost always become conservatives or libertarians.</p>
<p>As a corollary, I suggest that a survey of scientists broad enough to include a lot of scientists who work for private, non-tax-funded organizations will tend to find a more balanced spectrum of political views than one which concentrates on government institutions and the &#8220;university-agency complex&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: navarro</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/if-the-public-knew-scientist-liberality.html#comment-431643</link>
		<dc:creator>navarro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this result is unsurprising.  sadly for most conservatives, reality has a well-known liberal bias.  since scientists are, as a group, people who must confront reality it cannot be considered remarkable that they would tend towards views that are generally denoted by the term &quot;liberalism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this result is unsurprising.  sadly for most conservatives, reality has a well-known liberal bias.  since scientists are, as a group, people who must confront reality it cannot be considered remarkable that they would tend towards views that are generally denoted by the term &#8220;liberalism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Assorted links &#171; See the Invisible Hand</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/if-the-public-knew-scientist-liberality.html#comment-431165</link>
		<dc:creator>Assorted links &#171; See the Invisible Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Trade and Globalization    1. God and majors. 2. Will scientists lose authority? 3. American Spectator review of Create Your Own Economy. 4. Is The Nichepaper the future? 5. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did scientists start out as liberals and simply apply their bias to their work? Or did the work they do, the exploration of the world as it is, lead them to more liberal definitions of &quot;truth&quot;?

I think it is the latter.  As Stephen Colbert says  &quot;Facts seem to have a liberal bias&quot;

If you look at almost any scientific issue today, its the conservatives who are mounting challenges to established scientific thought. They are simply sitting back and  saying &quot;Nuh Uh&quot; They are looking at the work done and denying rather than doing the work themselves, they are intellectually LAZY as a rule.

Science is far from perfect but I have much more respect for the humility that is built into the scientific method than the arrogance with which most conservatives look at the world. How can any thinking man buy into any of the modern American conservative movements  poor excuse for a well reasoned, well thought out platform?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did scientists start out as liberals and simply apply their bias to their work? Or did the work they do, the exploration of the world as it is, lead them to more liberal definitions of &#8220;truth&#8221;?</p>
<p>I think it is the latter.  As Stephen Colbert says  &#8220;Facts seem to have a liberal bias&#8221;</p>
<p>If you look at almost any scientific issue today, its the conservatives who are mounting challenges to established scientific thought. They are simply sitting back and  saying &#8220;Nuh Uh&#8221; They are looking at the work done and denying rather than doing the work themselves, they are intellectually LAZY as a rule.</p>
<p>Science is far from perfect but I have much more respect for the humility that is built into the scientific method than the arrogance with which most conservatives look at the world. How can any thinking man buy into any of the modern American conservative movements  poor excuse for a well reasoned, well thought out platform?</p>
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		<title>By: dispatches from TJICistan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; scientists who have political opinions are leftists by a 28:1 ration</title>
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		<dc:creator>dispatches from TJICistan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; scientists who have political opinions are leftists by a 28:1 ration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Barkley Rosser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barkley Rosser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miswrote here.  It is 98% of scientists who are supposedly &quot;non-conservative.&quot;  So, supposedly we have 10% of scientists who are either moderate or liberal who somehow do not believe in the theory of evolution.  I find this hard to believe, almost as hard  to believe that only 2% are conservative, as way more than that whom I know are conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I miswrote here.  It is 98% of scientists who are supposedly &#8220;non-conservative.&#8221;  So, supposedly we have 10% of scientists who are either moderate or liberal who somehow do not believe in the theory of evolution.  I find this hard to believe, almost as hard  to believe that only 2% are conservative, as way more than that whom I know are conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: The Politics Of Scientists &#171; Thoughts of an ETSwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/if-the-public-knew-scientist-liberality.html#comment-431005</link>
		<dc:creator>The Politics Of Scientists &#171; Thoughts of an ETSwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Politics Of&#160;Scientists  Robin Hanson points to the above graph from a recent survey and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chet</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/if-the-public-knew-scientist-liberality.html#comment-430964</link>
		<dc:creator>Chet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The public would consider scientists to be less authoritative as a neutral source on policy questions&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, now, wait a minute. If everyone can accept that a scientist can be religious without compromising his scientific work, why is it untenable to expect that a scientist can be political without compromising his scientific work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The public would consider scientists to be less authoritative as a neutral source on policy questions</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, now, wait a minute. If everyone can accept that a scientist can be religious without compromising his scientific work, why is it untenable to expect that a scientist can be political without compromising his scientific work?</p>
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		<title>By: You Have Now Entered 'The Christianist Twilight Zone' - The New Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>You Have Now Entered 'The Christianist Twilight Zone' - The New Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Have Now Entered &#039;The Christianist Twilight Zone&#039;     Robin Hanson points to a recent survey of US scientists which finds that 56% see themselves as liberal, 2% as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Koslover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Koslover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Wayne:

You are insulting conservatives.  And sadly: (1) you don&#039;t even realize it, and (2) you have a lot of company among left-leaning academics.  Just take a look at your own words.  They are strongly reminiscent of those used in the past to justify black slavery, not letting blacks vote,  etc.  If you appled your words about conservatives to blacks, while simultaneously applying your words about liberals to whites, you would be rightfully called a racist.  Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Wayne:</p>
<p>You are insulting conservatives.  And sadly: (1) you don&#8217;t even realize it, and (2) you have a lot of company among left-leaning academics.  Just take a look at your own words.  They are strongly reminiscent of those used in the past to justify black slavery, not letting blacks vote,  etc.  If you appled your words about conservatives to blacks, while simultaneously applying your words about liberals to whites, you would be rightfully called a racist.  Right?</p>
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