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		<title>By: JayM</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/how-to-pop-bubbles.html#comment-430243</link>
		<dc:creator>JayM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hasn&#039;t George Soros already proved that this can be done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasn&#8217;t George Soros already proved that this can be done?</p>
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		<title>By: John Delaney</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/how-to-pop-bubbles.html#comment-430111</link>
		<dc:creator>John Delaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin,

The Wash. Times has a good Ed. piece today. 

Here is the link...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/12/in-defense-of-speculators/

And for a bit of shameless self promotion from the article...

To help decide whether speculators or politicians know better, Americans don&#039;t have to go any further than intrade.com, a futures market. This is one place where people place bets on what will happen not only on economic outcomes but on current political or entertainment events, such as who will win an election or an Oscar. In 2004, speculators on Intrade correctly predicted which presidential candidate would win the electoral votes of every state in that year&#039;s U.S. presidential election. In 2006, Intrade predicted who would win each and every Senate seat up for election. You would think such accuracy would earn some respect among politicians.

Cheers,

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin,</p>
<p>The Wash. Times has a good Ed. piece today. </p>
<p>Here is the link&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/12/in-defense-of-speculators/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/12/in-defense-of-speculators/</a></p>
<p>And for a bit of shameless self promotion from the article&#8230;</p>
<p>To help decide whether speculators or politicians know better, Americans don&#8217;t have to go any further than intrade.com, a futures market. This is one place where people place bets on what will happen not only on economic outcomes but on current political or entertainment events, such as who will win an election or an Oscar. In 2004, speculators on Intrade correctly predicted which presidential candidate would win the electoral votes of every state in that year&#8217;s U.S. presidential election. In 2006, Intrade predicted who would win each and every Senate seat up for election. You would think such accuracy would earn some respect among politicians.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hicks</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/how-to-pop-bubbles.html#comment-430038</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jsalvati pointed out one of the most obvious objections to this in terms of asset classes.  Another (speaking as an ex-regulator) is that &quot;the best and brightest&quot; don&#039;t tend to stick around in regulation very long as they&#039;ll typically be poached by firms in the private sector willing to pay them *much* more to do the same job.  

Also, you could also run this experiment cost free by getting regulators who thought they were up to  to create dummy portfolios of &quot;bubble&quot; assets to check there was any credibility to these claims without taking a massive speculative bet.  Then you&#039;d only be stuck with the almost insurmountable probably of separating skill from judgment, which would take a good couple of decades of data to establish.  THEN, I&#039;d say you ideas a goer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jsalvati pointed out one of the most obvious objections to this in terms of asset classes.  Another (speaking as an ex-regulator) is that &#8220;the best and brightest&#8221; don&#8217;t tend to stick around in regulation very long as they&#8217;ll typically be poached by firms in the private sector willing to pay them *much* more to do the same job.  </p>
<p>Also, you could also run this experiment cost free by getting regulators who thought they were up to  to create dummy portfolios of &#8220;bubble&#8221; assets to check there was any credibility to these claims without taking a massive speculative bet.  Then you&#8217;d only be stuck with the almost insurmountable probably of separating skill from judgment, which would take a good couple of decades of data to establish.  THEN, I&#8217;d say you ideas a goer.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall Randall</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/how-to-pop-bubbles.html#comment-429944</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;After all, it’s just a piece of cardboard with some ink on it. It’s value comes almost entirely from the fact that people believe it is valuable - yet there’s no particular reason why the “baseball card bubble” should burst.&quot;

I think you just don&#039;t care about baseball cards.

It would be a bubble if the value really did come almost entirely from what people thought they could sell them for, but the reason the prices stay high is because there are people who actually want the cards enough to pay those prices, in and of themselves, rather than because they can sell them to someone else.  In this case, it&#039;s not a bubble -- it&#039;s just what people value those things at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After all, it’s just a piece of cardboard with some ink on it. It’s value comes almost entirely from the fact that people believe it is valuable &#8211; yet there’s no particular reason why the “baseball card bubble” should burst.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you just don&#8217;t care about baseball cards.</p>
<p>It would be a bubble if the value really did come almost entirely from what people thought they could sell them for, but the reason the prices stay high is because there are people who actually want the cards enough to pay those prices, in and of themselves, rather than because they can sell them to someone else.  In this case, it&#8217;s not a bubble &#8212; it&#8217;s just what people value those things at.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/how-to-pop-bubbles.html#comment-429943</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, for each buyer their is a seller.  So if the U.S. profits from an intervention, doesn&#039;t that mean someone else is losing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, for each buyer their is a seller.  So if the U.S. profits from an intervention, doesn&#8217;t that mean someone else is losing?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/how-to-pop-bubbles.html#comment-429942</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lubin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lubin?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I don&#039;t think the current actors (investors) are centralized.  Second, Robin isn&#039;t suggesting anyone gets replaced.  He&#039;s suggesting we add a specialized type of investor who uses government money.

What do you mean by &quot;broken conservation of cashflows&quot; and how do they raise prices?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I don&#8217;t think the current actors (investors) are centralized.  Second, Robin isn&#8217;t suggesting anyone gets replaced.  He&#8217;s suggesting we add a specialized type of investor who uses government money.</p>
<p>What do you mean by &#8220;broken conservation of cashflows&#8221; and how do they raise prices?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug S.</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/how-to-pop-bubbles.html#comment-429899</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, the img tag didn&#039;t work. Trying again...



Original source: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Nasdaq2.png</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, the img tag didn&#8217;t work. Trying again&#8230;</p>
<p>Original source: <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Nasdaq2.png" rel="nofollow">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Nasdaq2.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: Doug S.</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/how-to-pop-bubbles.html#comment-429898</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The defining characteristic of a bubble is that, someday, it pops.

There are ways to predict that something is a bubble, and they&#039;re often right. However, these methods are really bad at predicting &lt;b&gt;when&lt;/b&gt; bubbles are going to pop - and in order to make money by shorting a bubble, you have to know &lt;b&gt;when&lt;/b&gt; it is going to pop.

Look at this graph of the NASDAQ Composite index during the dot-com bubble.



If you were a regulator with a pile of cash in 1999, what could you have done to pop the bubble?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The defining characteristic of a bubble is that, someday, it pops.</p>
<p>There are ways to predict that something is a bubble, and they&#8217;re often right. However, these methods are really bad at predicting <b>when</b> bubbles are going to pop &#8211; and in order to make money by shorting a bubble, you have to know <b>when</b> it is going to pop.</p>
<p>Look at this graph of the NASDAQ Composite index during the dot-com bubble.</p>
<p>If you were a regulator with a pile of cash in 1999, what could you have done to pop the bubble?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Goetz</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/how-to-pop-bubbles.html#comment-429874</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Goetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It sounds like you disagree with the regulators who claim they can spot bubbles. I didn’t claim they could; I said that if they could, here was an accountable way to have them use that info.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oops.  Never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It sounds like you disagree with the regulators who claim they can spot bubbles. I didn’t claim they could; I said that if they could, here was an accountable way to have them use that info.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oops.  Never mind.</p>
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