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		<title>By: babaer</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/do-the-smart-help-more.html#comment-430021</link>
		<dc:creator>babaer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with the advent of computer and technology and its integration into other areas (medical, financial sectors) &#039;smart people&#039; are more competitive for occupations that pay economic rents.

doctors
wall street quants, traders
intellectual property lawyer
upper level corporate manager
owner of medium of information exchange or market

whereas in the past economic rent was more correlated with ownership

landlord
oil well owner
factory owner

and so &#039;smart people&#039; had less of an advantage when it came to economic rent.

does your answer depend on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with the advent of computer and technology and its integration into other areas (medical, financial sectors) &#8216;smart people&#8217; are more competitive for occupations that pay economic rents.</p>
<p>doctors<br />
wall street quants, traders<br />
intellectual property lawyer<br />
upper level corporate manager<br />
owner of medium of information exchange or market</p>
<p>whereas in the past economic rent was more correlated with ownership</p>
<p>landlord<br />
oil well owner<br />
factory owner</p>
<p>and so &#8216;smart people&#8217; had less of an advantage when it came to economic rent.</p>
<p>does your answer depend on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/do-the-smart-help-more.html#comment-429939</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because something is hard to measure doesn&#039;t mean that we shouldn&#039;t try.  We should try, while also trying to understand all the ways in which are measurement is imperfect so that we know exactly how much confidence to have.

If we estimate that, on average, each new person makes the world better, then I might choose to have more children.  Or I might encourage others to have more, or support government policies which increase population growth.  Of course, these aren&#039;t the only things to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because something is hard to measure doesn&#8217;t mean that we shouldn&#8217;t try.  We should try, while also trying to understand all the ways in which are measurement is imperfect so that we know exactly how much confidence to have.</p>
<p>If we estimate that, on average, each new person makes the world better, then I might choose to have more children.  Or I might encourage others to have more, or support government policies which increase population growth.  Of course, these aren&#8217;t the only things to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/do-the-smart-help-more.html#comment-429933</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just added to the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just added to the post.</p>
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		<title>By: the bullcooker</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/do-the-smart-help-more.html#comment-429791</link>
		<dc:creator>the bullcooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Each new person who exists either helps or hurts everyone else.&lt;/i&gt;

They do both, there&#039;s no way to measure either, and absolutely no way to compare the two.

&lt;i&gt;My best estimate is that new folks on average help, but I can’t be very sure.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m glad you&#039;re not sure, because I can&#039;t imagine how on earth you arrived at the conclusion in the first place.

If this line of thought is true, what difference does that make to anything? If it isn&#039;t true, what difference does that make to anything? Explanations welcome, because I&#039;m not one of the smart people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Each new person who exists either helps or hurts everyone else.</i></p>
<p>They do both, there&#8217;s no way to measure either, and absolutely no way to compare the two.</p>
<p><i>My best estimate is that new folks on average help, but I can’t be very sure.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re not sure, because I can&#8217;t imagine how on earth you arrived at the conclusion in the first place.</p>
<p>If this line of thought is true, what difference does that make to anything? If it isn&#8217;t true, what difference does that make to anything? Explanations welcome, because I&#8217;m not one of the smart people.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/do-the-smart-help-more.html#comment-429790</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following is all speculation obviously:

It seems like smart people today are less likely to be doing something economically productive than they were in the past.  It may be one of the problems with places like Africa is that the highest status jobs are essentially concerned with redistributing wealth created by others (often to one&#039;s self).  The same thing may be happening in America.  There are few positions in private enterprise as prestigious as working in a University, for a think tank, at a non-profit, etc, or for certain parts of the beaurocracy (State, DOJ (not including FBI), etc.).  Meanwhile, CEOs are villified, and middle management is a source of ridicule.  There are hardly any &quot;captains of industry&quot; that are held in high regard.  Steve Jobs may be an exception, but I think this may be because computers are associated with &quot;science&quot; which held in high regard.  Perhaps some of these former positions contribute to growth, but as I believe Robin has pointed out before, most growth comes from marginal improvements in the process, not from R and D or &quot;science&quot;.  So perhaps, the smart people are capable of becoming more parasitic than the dumb people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following is all speculation obviously:</p>
<p>It seems like smart people today are less likely to be doing something economically productive than they were in the past.  It may be one of the problems with places like Africa is that the highest status jobs are essentially concerned with redistributing wealth created by others (often to one&#8217;s self).  The same thing may be happening in America.  There are few positions in private enterprise as prestigious as working in a University, for a think tank, at a non-profit, etc, or for certain parts of the beaurocracy (State, DOJ (not including FBI), etc.).  Meanwhile, CEOs are villified, and middle management is a source of ridicule.  There are hardly any &#8220;captains of industry&#8221; that are held in high regard.  Steve Jobs may be an exception, but I think this may be because computers are associated with &#8220;science&#8221; which held in high regard.  Perhaps some of these former positions contribute to growth, but as I believe Robin has pointed out before, most growth comes from marginal improvements in the process, not from R and D or &#8220;science&#8221;.  So perhaps, the smart people are capable of becoming more parasitic than the dumb people.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Oblivious</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/do-the-smart-help-more.html#comment-429781</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Oblivious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting analysis - but it seems likely that there&#039;s &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; threshhold beyond which the planet cannot support additional people, not even with advancing technology (whether that number is 1 billion or 10 or 100 billion is another question entirely).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting analysis &#8211; but it seems likely that there&#8217;s <em>some</em> threshhold beyond which the planet cannot support additional people, not even with advancing technology (whether that number is 1 billion or 10 or 100 billion is another question entirely).</p>
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		<title>By: Taimyoboi</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/do-the-smart-help-more.html#comment-429778</link>
		<dc:creator>Taimyoboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But change also arises from mistakes in following routines, and the dumb may make more mistakes.&quot;

It&#039;s not who makes more mistakes, but who recognizes when a mistake is made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But change also arises from mistakes in following routines, and the dumb may make more mistakes.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not who makes more mistakes, but who recognizes when a mistake is made.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug S.</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/do-the-smart-help-more.html#comment-429770</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malthus was right for basically all of history prior to his work being published. Then the Industrial Revolution hit, and productivity actually began to grow faster than people could breed.

Again, &lt;a href=&quot;http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/a-bit-more-on-malthus/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul Krugman does a better job explaining than I do.&lt;/a&gt; He has charts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malthus was right for basically all of history prior to his work being published. Then the Industrial Revolution hit, and productivity actually began to grow faster than people could breed.</p>
<p>Again, <a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/a-bit-more-on-malthus/" rel="nofollow">Paul Krugman does a better job explaining than I do.</a> He has charts!</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha Atkins</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/do-the-smart-help-more.html#comment-429766</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What exactly is meant by &quot;overall world productivity&quot;?  It is never defined.  I would bet that advances in science and technology and their implementation in actual products, techniques and tools changes the &quot;overall world productivity&quot; much more substantially than simply more people doing mostly what has been done before or what they are told to do.  

I also very much question whether the average or below are likely to be gainfully employed much less more likely than the bright.   It has been variously estimated that as much as 50% of the population in developed countries is either directly paid by government, receives more handouts than it pays in  or otherwise a net drain on the society by consuming much more than they produce.  So mere increase in numbers is not an unmitigated good except perhaps that the hyper-productive relatively rare individuals are more numerous in a larger sample set. 

Is there any actual data or is this just pure wool gathering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly is meant by &#8220;overall world productivity&#8221;?  It is never defined.  I would bet that advances in science and technology and their implementation in actual products, techniques and tools changes the &#8220;overall world productivity&#8221; much more substantially than simply more people doing mostly what has been done before or what they are told to do.  </p>
<p>I also very much question whether the average or below are likely to be gainfully employed much less more likely than the bright.   It has been variously estimated that as much as 50% of the population in developed countries is either directly paid by government, receives more handouts than it pays in  or otherwise a net drain on the society by consuming much more than they produce.  So mere increase in numbers is not an unmitigated good except perhaps that the hyper-productive relatively rare individuals are more numerous in a larger sample set. </p>
<p>Is there any actual data or is this just pure wool gathering?</p>
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		<title>By: billswift</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/do-the-smart-help-more.html#comment-429763</link>
		<dc:creator>billswift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s the evidence that charitable giving actually helps others?  Especially in comparison to saving or investing the money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s the evidence that charitable giving actually helps others?  Especially in comparison to saving or investing the money?</p>
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