Comments on: Why Signals Are Shallow http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/why-signals-are-shallow.html Overcoming Bias is economist Robin Hanson’s blog, on honesty, signaling, disagreement, forecasting, and the far future. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:09:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: New College of the Humanities « Doug Clow's Imaginatively-Titled Blog http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/why-signals-are-shallow.html#comment-473824 New College of the Humanities « Doug Clow's Imaginatively-Titled Blog Mon, 06 Jun 2011 08:02:59 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=18845#comment-473824 [...] including the idea that it functions as a credential, a social signal of accomplishments, a theme expanded on by Robin Hanson (thanks Paul Crowley for pointing me at that one). Oxford and Cambridge function in this way. [...] [...] including the idea that it functions as a credential, a social signal of accomplishments, a theme expanded on by Robin Hanson (thanks Paul Crowley for pointing me at that one). Oxford and Cambridge function in this way. [...]

]]> By: Hire Education- Cyborg Management 101 http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/why-signals-are-shallow.html#comment-460068 Hire Education- Cyborg Management 101 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:33:22 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=18845#comment-460068 [...] Why signals are shallow by Robin Sloan [...] [...] Why signals are shallow by Robin Sloan [...]

]]> By: Overcoming Bias : How Exceptional Is Gelman? http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/why-signals-are-shallow.html#comment-430205 Overcoming Bias : How Exceptional Is Gelman? Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:04:17 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=18845#comment-430205 [...] In response to my saying: [...] [...] In response to my saying: [...]

]]> By: Tuesday morning links - Maggie's Farm http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/why-signals-are-shallow.html#comment-429259 Tuesday morning links - Maggie's Farm Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:38:24 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=18845#comment-429259 [...] role of "shallow signals" in [...] [...] role of "shallow signals" in [...]

]]> By: nazgulnarsil http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/why-signals-are-shallow.html#comment-429112 nazgulnarsil Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:02:27 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=18845#comment-429112 there's a simpler way of saying this: in order to curry favor with higher status people, help them curry status with even higher status people. there’s a simpler way of saying this: in order to curry favor with higher status people, help them curry status with even higher status people.

]]> By: Robin Hanson http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/why-signals-are-shallow.html#comment-429091 Robin Hanson Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:24:14 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=18845#comment-429091 I might be using the word "shallow" in a different way than you. I meant based on signals that are easy to verify by a distant observer who doesn't put in much effort. I might be using the word “shallow” in a different way than you. I meant based on signals that are easy to verify by a distant observer who doesn’t put in much effort.

]]> By: Greg http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/why-signals-are-shallow.html#comment-429085 Greg Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:34:18 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=18845#comment-429085 Interesting insight, but what competing aims get slighted when over-valuing credentials? I would say getting things done. In an academic setting, the level of "getting things done" may be difficult to discern. In a business setting, it's much more salient. My boss may want to impress his boss with my credentials, but he (hopefully) knows that my actual performance, if it leads to better overall performance, will make his boss even happier. In a business context, this kind of behavior is very bad, in my opinion. Interesting insight, but what competing aims get slighted when over-valuing credentials? I would say getting things done. In an academic setting, the level of “getting things done” may be difficult to discern. In a business setting, it’s much more salient. My boss may want to impress his boss with my credentials, but he (hopefully) knows that my actual performance, if it leads to better overall performance, will make his boss even happier. In a business context, this kind of behavior is very bad, in my opinion.

]]> By: Interessantes woanders (2009.06.19) › Immersion I/O http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/why-signals-are-shallow.html#comment-429079 Interessantes woanders (2009.06.19) › Immersion I/O Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:23:21 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=18845#comment-429079 [...] Why Signals Are Shallow [...] [...] Why Signals Are Shallow [...]

]]> By: Des fonctions du signalement dans de larges communautés sociales « Rationalité Limitée http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/why-signals-are-shallow.html#comment-429078 Des fonctions du signalement dans de larges communautés sociales « Rationalité Limitée Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:56:28 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=18845#comment-429078 [...] fonctions du signalement dans de larges communautés sociales Remarque très pertinente de Robin Hanson [...] [...] fonctions du signalement dans de larges communautés sociales Remarque très pertinente de Robin Hanson [...]

]]> By: pdf23ds http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/why-signals-are-shallow.html#comment-429076 pdf23ds Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:09:36 +0000 http://www.overcomingbias.com/?p=18845#comment-429076 <blockquote>I suppose it might be nice to live in an isolated small town where everyone knows everyone so well that superficial signals count for little.</blockquote> It's apparent, even apart from your mentioning it, that you've never lived in a small town. Believe me, it may be more personal, but it's hardly any less shallow. Or less classist. Maybe a small town filled with intellectuals working in the same field... now that would be something.

I suppose it might be nice to live in an isolated small town where everyone knows everyone so well that superficial signals count for little.

It’s apparent, even apart from your mentioning it, that you’ve never lived in a small town. Believe me, it may be more personal, but it’s hardly any less shallow. Or less classist. Maybe a small town filled with intellectuals working in the same field… now that would be something.

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