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	<title>Comments on: Slow Potatos</title>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/slow-potatos.html#comment-428854</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...took so long to catch on, and even then perhaps only because of something largely incidental to its productivity. &lt;/i&gt;

Security is &lt;a href=&quot;http://szabo.best.vwh.net/history.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not incidental&lt;/a&gt; to the overall productivity of an agricultural economy, and in wartime the security of crops is certainly not incidental to the farm&#039;s productivity.   When war is common the extra work needed to harvest potatoes is a feature, not a bug.   This was especially true when, as in most of history, agriculture was the main  source of wealth.  See also Victor Davis Hanson&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520215966/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;book&lt;/a&gt; on the security of crops in ancient Greece.

To think about or model this properly, one has to drop the typical economic assumption of voluntary transactions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;took so long to catch on, and even then perhaps only because of something largely incidental to its productivity. </i></p>
<p>Security is <a href="http://szabo.best.vwh.net/history.html" rel="nofollow">not incidental</a> to the overall productivity of an agricultural economy, and in wartime the security of crops is certainly not incidental to the farm&#8217;s productivity.   When war is common the extra work needed to harvest potatoes is a feature, not a bug.   This was especially true when, as in most of history, agriculture was the main  source of wealth.  See also Victor Davis Hanson&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520215966/" rel="nofollow">book</a> on the security of crops in ancient Greece.</p>
<p>To think about or model this properly, one has to drop the typical economic assumption of voluntary transactions.</p>
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		<title>By: michael vassar</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/slow-potatos.html#comment-425208</link>
		<dc:creator>michael vassar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t you say that such large deviations from what economics might predict call the usefulness of economics as more than a very crude first approximation of reality or a normative theory deeply into question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you say that such large deviations from what economics might predict call the usefulness of economics as more than a very crude first approximation of reality or a normative theory deeply into question?</p>
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		<title>By: nazgulnarsil</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/slow-potatos.html#comment-425201</link>
		<dc:creator>nazgulnarsil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a historical example of such a case would be hemp I believe.  From what I&#039;ve read it makes for a wonderful textile.  The narcotic properties were an excuse to campaign against it by the textile industries who were heavily invested in cotton processing infrastructure.

anyone know more on the subject?  I&#039;ve been inundated with rhetoric from both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a historical example of such a case would be hemp I believe.  From what I&#8217;ve read it makes for a wonderful textile.  The narcotic properties were an excuse to campaign against it by the textile industries who were heavily invested in cotton processing infrastructure.</p>
<p>anyone know more on the subject?  I&#8217;ve been inundated with rhetoric from both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: londenio</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/slow-potatos.html#comment-425196</link>
		<dc:creator>londenio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to build on Bill&#039;s comment. I believe that much (not all) of the opposition to GM crops in Europe comes from misinformation generated and propagated by interests groups. Europeans use arguments against GM as a barrier of entry to crops from North and South America. 

It could be (i have no idea) that the potato story follows a similar mechanism. Groups with interests in cereal may have kept potatoes from taking off. I do not know how much I believe this explanation, but it is not impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to build on Bill&#8217;s comment. I believe that much (not all) of the opposition to GM crops in Europe comes from misinformation generated and propagated by interests groups. Europeans use arguments against GM as a barrier of entry to crops from North and South America. </p>
<p>It could be (i have no idea) that the potato story follows a similar mechanism. Groups with interests in cereal may have kept potatoes from taking off. I do not know how much I believe this explanation, but it is not impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: CannibalSmith</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/slow-potatos.html#comment-425194</link>
		<dc:creator>CannibalSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are ways in which genetically modified crops do pose a threat. For example, you risk developing a plant so hardy that it conquers the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are ways in which genetically modified crops do pose a threat. For example, you risk developing a plant so hardy that it conquers the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Interessantes woanders (2009.06.07) › Immersion I/O</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/slow-potatos.html#comment-425184</link>
		<dc:creator>Interessantes woanders (2009.06.07) › Immersion I/O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Slow Potatos [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Slow Potatos [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Harshaw</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/slow-potatos.html#comment-425165</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Harshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some would argue the resistance to genetically modified crops and genetic engineering is a modern example which says humans can still be very short-sighted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some would argue the resistance to genetically modified crops and genetic engineering is a modern example which says humans can still be very short-sighted.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomasz Wegrzanowski</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/slow-potatos.html#comment-425154</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomasz Wegrzanowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s hardly any evidence behind Shangri-La Diet diet compared to thousands of other similar-looking fad diets, and the book about it was published in 2006. It&#039;s hardly a clear-cut example of &quot;ridiculous amount of time to catch on&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s hardly any evidence behind Shangri-La Diet diet compared to thousands of other similar-looking fad diets, and the book about it was published in 2006. It&#8217;s hardly a clear-cut example of &#8220;ridiculous amount of time to catch on&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliezer Yudkowsky</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/slow-potatos.html#comment-425147</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliezer Yudkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last sentence is sarcasm, right?  I can&#039;t tell.

I mean, we have, in fact, changed our ways over time; I recently visited Canberra and saw the traces of an Aboriginal culture that hadn&#039;t gotten to the level of the bow and arrow in 30,000 years, though they had quite nicely carved stone axes.  That was what impressed on me the &lt;em&gt;counterintuitiveness &lt;/em&gt;of the idea that you could progress by inventing new things.

But in our own time, there are plenty of clever innovations that are taking ridiculous amounts of time to catch on.  The Shangri-La Diet comes to mind (it works two-thirds of the time, apparently, and there are plenty of people &lt;em&gt;desperate&lt;/em&gt; to lose weight).  I can think of other examples, but that&#039;s one of the clearer-cut ones with an individual benefit - schooling innovations benefit only mere children rather than the parents who choose them, cryonics requires deductive thought to verify, etcetera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last sentence is sarcasm, right?  I can&#8217;t tell.</p>
<p>I mean, we have, in fact, changed our ways over time; I recently visited Canberra and saw the traces of an Aboriginal culture that hadn&#8217;t gotten to the level of the bow and arrow in 30,000 years, though they had quite nicely carved stone axes.  That was what impressed on me the <em>counterintuitiveness </em>of the idea that you could progress by inventing new things.</p>
<p>But in our own time, there are plenty of clever innovations that are taking ridiculous amounts of time to catch on.  The Shangri-La Diet comes to mind (it works two-thirds of the time, apparently, and there are plenty of people <em>desperate</em> to lose weight).  I can think of other examples, but that&#8217;s one of the clearer-cut ones with an individual benefit &#8211; schooling innovations benefit only mere children rather than the parents who choose them, cryonics requires deductive thought to verify, etcetera.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/slow-potatos.html#comment-425146</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, orchards produce more calories per acre than grain or potatoes.  Also harvesting is easier, and the ground needs little cultivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, orchards produce more calories per acre than grain or potatoes.  Also harvesting is easier, and the ground needs little cultivation.</p>
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