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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/signals-are-forever.html#comment-431632</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absense of evidence is evidence of absence: all the time you&#039;re not signalling your love, you&#039;re better half should be downgrading their estimation of your love</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absense of evidence is evidence of absence: all the time you&#8217;re not signalling your love, you&#8217;re better half should be downgrading their estimation of your love</p>
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		<title>By: Overcoming Bias : 40% of US Moms Unwed</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/signals-are-forever.html#comment-429844</link>
		<dc:creator>Overcoming Bias : 40% of US Moms Unwed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I guess this helps somewhat to explain the explicitly sex-aggressive men I see more of these days.  When I wrote: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gd</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/signals-are-forever.html#comment-429330</link>
		<dc:creator>gd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love isn&#039;t a trait, its a verb.</description>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/signals-are-forever.html#comment-429308</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you considered writing a book on this and similar topics?</description>
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		<title>By: Jess Riedel</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/signals-are-forever.html#comment-429302</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Riedel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a important distinction.  In the case of the Lawyer and Professor, they are expected to continue to produce actual, useful output.  In the case of the husband, his displays of affection are just signals with no intrinsic value.  So we are not surprised when the Lawyer and Professor are expected to continue to produce, but might be surprised by the husbands situation without a signaling theory explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a important distinction.  In the case of the Lawyer and Professor, they are expected to continue to produce actual, useful output.  In the case of the husband, his displays of affection are just signals with no intrinsic value.  So we are not surprised when the Lawyer and Professor are expected to continue to produce, but might be surprised by the husbands situation without a signaling theory explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Kennaway</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/signals-are-forever.html#comment-429299</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Kennaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A man sometimes thinks that after all he has done for a woman surely she must know he loves her and he doesn’t need to keep showing it by saying so, giving gifts, holding doors, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How bizarre. Let&#039;s try a transposition of that:

&lt;blockquote&gt;A full professor sometimes thinks that after all he has done for the university surely they must know he&#039;s brilliant and he doesn’t need to keep showing it by writing papers, teaching, supervising grad students, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

or:

              &lt;blockquote&gt;A lawyer sometimes thinks that after all he has done for the partnership surely the partners must know he&#039;s a good lawyer and he doesn’t need to keep showing it by winning cases.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is something fundamentally missing from all three analyses.

BTW, these are not caricatures. I have actually heard a professor say pretty much the above. &quot;The department appointed me, that means they must be satisfied with my performance, so why do they insist on counting my publications every year?&quot; It&#039;s called &quot;resting on one&#039;s laurels.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A man sometimes thinks that after all he has done for a woman surely she must know he loves her and he doesn’t need to keep showing it by saying so, giving gifts, holding doors, etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>How bizarre. Let&#8217;s try a transposition of that:</p>
<blockquote><p>A full professor sometimes thinks that after all he has done for the university surely they must know he&#8217;s brilliant and he doesn’t need to keep showing it by writing papers, teaching, supervising grad students, etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>or:</p>
<blockquote><p>A lawyer sometimes thinks that after all he has done for the partnership surely the partners must know he&#8217;s a good lawyer and he doesn’t need to keep showing it by winning cases.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is something fundamentally missing from all three analyses.</p>
<p>BTW, these are not caricatures. I have actually heard a professor say pretty much the above. &#8220;The department appointed me, that means they must be satisfied with my performance, so why do they insist on counting my publications every year?&#8221; It&#8217;s called &#8220;resting on one&#8217;s laurels.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Interessantes woanders (2009.06.24) › Immersion I/O</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/signals-are-forever.html#comment-429286</link>
		<dc:creator>Interessantes woanders (2009.06.24) › Immersion I/O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/signals-are-forever.html#comment-429285</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yowza, such &quot;distain&quot; for signalling, Robin. Why?


	It&#039;s good to be good at something. It&#039;s great to be good while 
appearing to devote little effort.
	Some signalling is dishonest, and each of us has an incentive to convince others that we are more honest than we are.
	Signalling is competitive, and each of us has an incentive to 
convince others to compete a little less.
	Some of us can afford to signal less in certain areas and 
&lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; appear obviously superior. Exuding distain really rubs it in.


Is distain warranted? In my view, a great deal of signalling is likely to be both honest and fun. Honest a la Zahavi. Fun because fitness-enhancing activities are pleasurable, and the most fitness-enhancing activities are the ones we&#039;re relatively good at. What&#039;s not to like (besides the signalling-ugliness of saying, &quot;signalling is great!&quot;)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yowza, such &#8220;distain&#8221; for signalling, Robin. Why?</p>
<p>	It&#8217;s good to be good at something. It&#8217;s great to be good while<br />
appearing to devote little effort.<br />
	Some signalling is dishonest, and each of us has an incentive to convince others that we are more honest than we are.<br />
	Signalling is competitive, and each of us has an incentive to<br />
convince others to compete a little less.<br />
	Some of us can afford to signal less in certain areas and<br />
<em>still</em> appear obviously superior. Exuding distain really rubs it in.</p>
<p>Is distain warranted? In my view, a great deal of signalling is likely to be both honest and fun. Honest a la Zahavi. Fun because fitness-enhancing activities are pleasurable, and the most fitness-enhancing activities are the ones we&#8217;re relatively good at. What&#8217;s not to like (besides the signalling-ugliness of saying, &#8220;signalling is great!&#8221;)?</p>
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		<title>By: Les liens du matin (52) &#171; Rationalité Limitée</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/signals-are-forever.html#comment-429284</link>
		<dc:creator>Les liens du matin (52) &#171; Rationalité Limitée</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Signals Are Forever&#8221; &#8211; Robin Hanson, Overcoming [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Lover</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/signals-are-forever.html#comment-429283</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some people relationships are contracts, and for some people their current emotional state, and for yet others action in relationships.

The most common combination is that man thinks relationship as contract and woman feels relationship as emotional state. This causes endless confusion when people do not recognize it.

For people who feel relationship as emotional state, constant signaling is much more important than for people who think relationship as contract or those for whom relationship is about action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some people relationships are contracts, and for some people their current emotional state, and for yet others action in relationships.</p>
<p>The most common combination is that man thinks relationship as contract and woman feels relationship as emotional state. This causes endless confusion when people do not recognize it.</p>
<p>For people who feel relationship as emotional state, constant signaling is much more important than for people who think relationship as contract or those for whom relationship is about action.</p>
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