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	<title>Comments on: CO2 Warming Looks Real</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/co2-warming-looks-real.html#comment-442793</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The graph just shows that people have used more aerosols since the 1960s.  Without comparing that to other factors involved in the climate, that really means *very* little for the case in favour of AGW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The graph just shows that people have used more aerosols since the 1960s.  Without comparing that to other factors involved in the climate, that really means *very* little for the case in favour of AGW.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/co2-warming-looks-real.html#comment-442792</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of the human desire to attribute blame and administer punishment.  It makes a better story for the environmental activists if industrial humans are evil sinners, and they can charge in on a white knight and SAVE THE WORLD from the evil industrialist forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of the human desire to attribute blame and administer punishment.  It makes a better story for the environmental activists if industrial humans are evil sinners, and they can charge in on a white knight and SAVE THE WORLD from the evil industrialist forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/co2-warming-looks-real.html#comment-442791</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right - but why would one think that the warming risks weigh more heavily than the risk of reglaciation - which seems to be both obviously an enormous catastrophe - and *highly* likely - unless we actively warm the planet up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right &#8211; but why would one think that the warming risks weigh more heavily than the risk of reglaciation &#8211; which seems to be both obviously an enormous catastrophe &#8211; and *highly* likely &#8211; unless we actively warm the planet up.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/co2-warming-looks-real.html#comment-442790</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like a paywall to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like a paywall to me.</p>
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		<title>By: David Friedman</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/co2-warming-looks-real.html#comment-425301</link>
		<dc:creator>David Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your quote from Steve Dutch got me interested enough to go to his site and read some of it. He may, for all I know, be correct in his views in his field. But despite his stated intention to limit himself to his areas of technical competence, he is making arguments that depend on economics as well--in particular the bit you quoted about how conservatives should treat fossil fuels. Judging by that--and my subsequent correspondence with him--he had never heard of Harold Hotelling&#039;s classic analysis of the economics of depletable resources, done seventy years ago. When pointed at an explanation of it he reacted with scorn and incomprehension. 

The incomprehension was signaled by his lumping together the peak oil controversy, which is relevant to the issue of depletable resources and the economics thereof, with the global warming controversy, which (from the economic point of view) depends on a public good problem that has nothing to do with depletable resources. Earlier he seemed to think that the extinction of the passenger pigeons--a standard tragedy of the commons--somehow invalidated Hotelling&#039;s analysis.

One of the ways in which I judge sources of expert information is by finding some area that overlaps with things I know something about and seeing whether they get that right. Judged by that standard, I wouldn&#039;t rely very heavily on Dutch&#039;s analysis. He not only doesn&#039;t understand the relevant economics, which isn&#039;t that surprising, he is also confident that he does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your quote from Steve Dutch got me interested enough to go to his site and read some of it. He may, for all I know, be correct in his views in his field. But despite his stated intention to limit himself to his areas of technical competence, he is making arguments that depend on economics as well&#8211;in particular the bit you quoted about how conservatives should treat fossil fuels. Judging by that&#8211;and my subsequent correspondence with him&#8211;he had never heard of Harold Hotelling&#8217;s classic analysis of the economics of depletable resources, done seventy years ago. When pointed at an explanation of it he reacted with scorn and incomprehension. </p>
<p>The incomprehension was signaled by his lumping together the peak oil controversy, which is relevant to the issue of depletable resources and the economics thereof, with the global warming controversy, which (from the economic point of view) depends on a public good problem that has nothing to do with depletable resources. Earlier he seemed to think that the extinction of the passenger pigeons&#8211;a standard tragedy of the commons&#8211;somehow invalidated Hotelling&#8217;s analysis.</p>
<p>One of the ways in which I judge sources of expert information is by finding some area that overlaps with things I know something about and seeing whether they get that right. Judged by that standard, I wouldn&#8217;t rely very heavily on Dutch&#8217;s analysis. He not only doesn&#8217;t understand the relevant economics, which isn&#8217;t that surprising, he is also confident that he does.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonnan</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/co2-warming-looks-real.html#comment-425297</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not entirely sure I agree with the link. To the extent that it says &quot;You should debate the *strongest* argument/opponent&quot;, sure.

But what about the case (As in climate denial) where there *are* no strong arguments/opponents. The fact is, that yes, the combination of a large quantity of opponents, but no opponents of quality, *does* indicate a substantial weakness in the position they&#039;re defending.

Jonnan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not entirely sure I agree with the link. To the extent that it says &#8220;You should debate the *strongest* argument/opponent&#8221;, sure.</p>
<p>But what about the case (As in climate denial) where there *are* no strong arguments/opponents. The fact is, that yes, the combination of a large quantity of opponents, but no opponents of quality, *does* indicate a substantial weakness in the position they&#8217;re defending.</p>
<p>Jonnan</p>
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		<title>By: bsanchez</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/co2-warming-looks-real.html#comment-425247</link>
		<dc:creator>bsanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also relatively sceptical, but less so now that I have plotted a simple chart of temperature and atmospheric co2 in my blog.  I was quite surprised by the fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also relatively sceptical, but less so now that I have plotted a simple chart of temperature and atmospheric co2 in my blog.  I was quite surprised by the fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Will The Real AGW Skeptic Please Stand Up? &#171; The Emergent Fool</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/co2-warming-looks-real.html#comment-425123</link>
		<dc:creator>Will The Real AGW Skeptic Please Stand Up? &#171; The Emergent Fool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] he put up a post titled CO2 Warming Looks Real.  He&#8217;s not an expert. Like me, he has an economics background and did some detailed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] he put up a post titled CO2 Warming Looks Real.  He&#8217;s not an expert. Like me, he has an economics background and did some detailed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daublin</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/co2-warming-looks-real.html#comment-425085</link>
		<dc:creator>Daublin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As several posters have written, most &quot;skeptics&quot; agree with what you write in this article, and only disagree with the political choices that follow from it.  In essence, you buried one of the most important parts of the debate:

&quot;This uncertainty alone justifies substantial CO2 mitigation (emission cuts or geoengineering), if we are risk-averse enough and if mitigation risks are weaker.&quot;

The second if is huge, but you listed it as an if within an if within a random bullet in the middle of the list.  The Kyoto protocol has huge costs but minimal effect on CO2, and therefore minimal effect on CO2-based global warming. Even if CO2 is really harmful, how is this a helpful response?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As several posters have written, most &#8220;skeptics&#8221; agree with what you write in this article, and only disagree with the political choices that follow from it.  In essence, you buried one of the most important parts of the debate:</p>
<p>&#8220;This uncertainty alone justifies substantial CO2 mitigation (emission cuts or geoengineering), if we are risk-averse enough and if mitigation risks are weaker.&#8221;</p>
<p>The second if is huge, but you listed it as an if within an if within a random bullet in the middle of the list.  The Kyoto protocol has huge costs but minimal effect on CO2, and therefore minimal effect on CO2-based global warming. Even if CO2 is really harmful, how is this a helpful response?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/05/co2-warming-looks-real.html#comment-425020</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your opinion on ocean acidification?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your opinion on ocean acidification?</p>
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